Aki Basho 2018 Discussion [SPOILERS]

[ryafuji 814]

I don't think I've ever seen so many mono-ii in one day. Also can't decide if Kise is brilliant defensively or just lucky.

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9 minutes ago, Bumpkin said:

[Aminishiki] Can he win his first career yusho?

I have been rooting for that the last time he was J1... that prize is the only thing he hasn't collected yet.

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2 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Ever heard of that guy?

Sadly, Kisenosato is simply a mess getting lucky so far. He'll be toast when he faces those guys who actually know what they're doing.

He reminded me of Takanohana's last two bashos.

[ryafuji 814]

Has a yokozuna ever intai'd midway through a basho which he began 3-0?

Edited September 11, 2018 by ryafuji

[Amamaniac 2,079]

19 minutes ago, Bumpkin said:

Can he win his first career yusho?

He's had three straight opening wins 20 odd times in his career.  I'd say it is a little early to start speculating about a yusho.  

But you bring up a very interesting point.  The closest he came to winning a championship was in his first regular tournament, and he ended up losing in the playoff!

I think another type of victory will be if he makes it back up into the Top Division at the age of 40 (come the Kyushu basho, he'll have turned 40).  That must be some kind of record.  

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1 minute ago, Amamaniac said:

That must be some kind of record.  

I think he'll beating his own record of oldest returnee from Juryo

[ryafuji 814]

1 minute ago, Kawabata said:

I think he'll beating his own record of oldest returnee from Juryo

For the third time, I think.

[pmac 34]

very entertaining basho so far, hope kise can rack up the needed wins!

aaand betting on sumo is fun (when it goes like this lol)

 

 

Edited September 11, 2018 by pmac

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55 minutes ago, ryafuji said:

Also can't decide if Kise is brilliant defensively or just lucky.

Both, for sure. The bout somehow reminded me on Mitakeumi-Yutakayama Day 15 last basho.

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49 minutes ago, ryafuji said:

Has a yokozuna ever intai'd midway through a basho which he began 3-0?

No, but a certain Taiho started his intai-basho 3-1

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58 minutes ago, ryafuji said:

I don't think I've ever seen so many mono-ii in one day.

Yeah, strange. Some of them were not close at all.

I found the Torinaoshi decision kind of weird in the Mitakeumi bout. I wonder what kind of reasoning was behind. Two-way Shinitai?

I guess there had been some talk behind the curtain.

Let's talk it over - gives the audience the impression that they care.

[Amamaniac 2,079]

Tochinoshin took a disappointing loss against Takakeisho.  Despite that, I think he will definitely be able to get his KK, and preserve his Ozeki status.  Coincidentally, Kasugano Oyakata was the NHK's guest commentator on Day 3, and all three Kasugano beta Top Division wrestlers lost their bouts.  If I understood his comments correctly, Kasugano-oyakata was saying that all of his Top Division wrestlers were completely healthy (implying that they should win).  That statement might have jinxed them.  

Meanwhile, Mitakeumi held up against Tamawashi, showing his metal (as the saying goes).  His sumo is very close to being Ozeki worthy.  It seemed to me that the shimpan called a torinoshi "in part" to test him.  If so, he seems to have passed that test.

Edited September 11, 2018 by Amamaniac

[Andreas21 184]

Incidentally, Nishikigi begins to show really solid Sumo.

This is good, as the only noteworthy thing before was the questionable honour of a remarkable collection of some of the worst Makuuchi results NOT leading to demotion: M11w:5-10, M13e:6-9, M15e:7-8, and the otherworldly M14w:5-10.

 

[robnplunder 975]

Bad moNOii are  rampant so far in this basho .

Despite what some may say, Kisenosato looked to be back, not at 100% though but enough to hang on.

Tochinoshin did not look healthy in his loss to Takakeisho.   Clearly, his knee is less than 100% and we may see 2 Ozeki in the next basho unless Mitakeumi has something to say about it.     

[mikawa 1,794]

Tochinoshin's very very strong on the belt, but a belt battle is something which Takakeisho actively avoids. Might explain why their head-to-head is now 4-1 in Takakeisho's favour

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25 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

It seemed to me that the shimpan called a torinoshi "in part" to test him.  If so, he seems to have passed that test.

 

Highly unlikely.   It was just another bad monoii result and there have been few already.

[Mihasan 13]

Any news about Kyokutaisei? His knee was in bad shape after the bout...

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5 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Ever heard of that guy?

Sadly, Kisenosato is simply a mess getting lucky so far. He'll be toast when he faces those guys who actually know what they're doing.

Mess getting lucky? I think I might have seen a different guy named Kisenosato in Makuuchi bouts last three days, weird...

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1 hour ago, robnplunder said:

Bad moNOii are  rampant so far in this basho .

Despite what some may say, Kisenosato looked to be back, not at 100% though but enough to hang on.

Tochinoshin did not look healthy in his loss to Takakeisho.   Clearly, his knee is less than 100% and we may see 2 Ozeki in the next basho unless Mitakeumi has something to say about it.     

Did seem more like overcommitting from Tochinoshin than any health issues, I'd say.

[Akinomaki 40,489]

Nishikido today

Shodai-Endo: gyoji points to Shodai - mono-ii - conference explanation:
The gyoji gumbai was in favor of Yutakayama's oshi, but we judge it as both simultaneously ... we had a mono-ii objection that it  might have been simultaneously, but we decide according to the gumbai as a win for Yutakayama.

at the kachi-nanori he made the announcement that it was Shodai

Mitakeumi-Tamawashi: gyoji points to Mitakeumi - mono-ii - conference explanation:
The gyoji gumbai was in favor of Tamawashi's yori, but Tamawashi going down and ... going out and Mitakeumi going out - down is seen by us as simultaneously and we make it a tori-naoshi

Kisenosato-Yutakayama: gyoji points to Kisenosato - mono-ii - conference explanation, speaking thrice as fast as before:
It was a mono-ii to check if Kisenosato's leg was in, we decide according to the gumbai as a win for Kisenosato

Edited September 11, 2018 by Akinomaki

[Benevolance 2,501]

By the time it got to the Kise bout, I was half expecting him to call a torinaoshi between Kise and, like, Harumafuji or something. 

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I don't speak Japanese and even I was like "What the hell is going on" during that Shodai / Endo mono-ii

I mean I'm a bit like that during every mono-ii because I don't speak Japanese, but in a different way

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14 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Nishikido today

Shodai-Endo: gyoji points to Shodai - mono-ii - conference explanation:
The gyoji gumbai was in favor of Yutakayama's oshi, but we judge it as both simultaneously ... we had a mono-ii objection that it  might have been simultaneously, but we decide according to the gumbai as a win for Yutakayama.

at the kachi-nanori he made the announcement that it was Shodai

Mitakeumi-Tamawashi: gyoji points to Mitakeumi - mono-ii - conference explanation:
The gyoji gumbai was in favor of Tamawashi's yori, but Tamawashi going down and ... going out and Mitakeumi going out - down is seen by us as simultaneously and we make it a tori-naoshi

Kisenosato-Yutakayama: gyoji points to Kisenosato - mono-ii - conference explanation, speaking thrice as fast as before:
It was a mono-ii to check if Kisenosato's leg was in, we decide according to the gumbai as a win for Kisenosato

What was wrong with this guy today?
That was absolute nonsense what he narrated today.
Is he getting old and deranged? Or was it just too much Sake before?

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10 minutes ago, Feginowaka said:

What was wrong with this guy today?
That was absolute nonsense what he narrated today.
Is he getting old and deranged? Or was it just too much Sake before?

Maybe the young wife is wearing him out.

 

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1 hour ago, Mihasan said:

Any news about Kyokutaisei? His knee was in bad shape after the bout...

I'd say he's out. He virtually said it himself after the bout, within the boundaries of what is permitted..