Hakuhou injured-Kyushu crisis looms

[Kishinoyama 596]

1 hour ago, Benevolance said:

 

I couldn't stop thinking about this scenario. I can find only one instance of a makuuchi yusho won by a kyujo rikishi: Wajima in Kyushu 1973. 

Does this count? Chiyonofuji did not appear for his last match after being injured in a win on day 14 of this tournament:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=198903#M

 

[Kintamayama 45,503]

Hakuhou will decide tomorrow whether he will be entering or not. It is definitely not looking good, as he has not done any sumo for a month now. He did show up today for morning training, was there for an hour and 40 minutes, mostly standing around and guiding the lower rankers. He hardly did any fundamentals either. 

[Eikokurai 3,437]

9 hours ago, Kishinoyama said:

Does this count? Chiyonofuji did not appear for his last match after being injured in a win on day 14 of this tournament:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=198903#M

 

That’s odd. Why wouldn’t that be recorded as 14-0-1?

[fwuzzle23 66]

41 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

That’s odd. Why wouldn’t that be recorded as 14-0-1?

He had a bout scheduled against Asahifuji that he failed to show up for, so it counts as a loss (albeit one by default) instead of an absence. Nothing odd about it.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

1 hour ago, fwuzzle23 said:

He had a bout scheduled against Asahifuji that he failed to show up for, so it counts as a loss (albeit one by default) instead of an absence. Nothing odd about it.

Of course. I was forgetting that if a bout has already been scheduled, it counts as a defeat and only subsequent days are recorded as kyujo. Momentary brain fart.

[sekitori 492]

14 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Hakuhou will decide tomorrow whether he will be entering or not. It is definitely not looking good, as he has not done any sumo for a month now. He did show up today for morning training, was there for an hour and 40 minutes, mostly standing around and guiding the lower rankers. He hardly did any fundamentals either. 

He had surgery on on both his knee and ankle less than a month ago. Despite the fact that it was minimally invasive, it will take time for him to fully recover. As of now, he obviously hasn't.  I wonder what his decision will be.  

Edited November 8, 2018 by sekitori

[maorencze 144]

20 hours ago, Benevolance said:

 

I couldn't stop thinking about this scenario. I can find only one instance of a makuuchi yusho won by a kyujo rikishi: Wajima in Kyushu 1973. Could Hakuho makes it happen in Kyushu 2018? I mean, on paper, the current joi doesn't appear very threatening. The last few matchups Hakuho has faced Goeidou on day 14. Let's say Hak goes 12-0, then declares kyujo on day 12 or 13. He probably gives Kise a YBSC fusen gift and denies Goeidou his fusen win, he skips even facing Goeidou, and yet still takes home yusho 42. Ka-pow! A delicious conspiracy chanko* is served.


*Caution: chanko may contain nuts. 

Well, what a cool tribute to late great Wajima would THAT be!

[Benevolance 2,510]

19 hours ago, Kishinoyama said:

Does this count? Chiyonofuji did not appear for his last match after being injured in a win on day 14 of this tournament:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=198903#M

 

Oh yeah, that totally counts. I hadn't considered that scenario; I scanned specifically for absentee losses. Assuming he faced Goeidou on day 14 in this scenario, defeated him to end his yusho chance, and then withdrew, that would also be delicious. 

[Morningstar 118]

6 hours ago, Benevolance said:

Oh yeah, that totally counts. I hadn't considered that scenario; I scanned specifically for absentee losses. Assuming he faced Goeidou on day 14 in this scenario, defeated him to end his yusho chance, and then withdrew, that would also be delicious. 

As he is now in the 1st Yokozuna spot, baring any other Yokozuna withdrawals, Hakuho should face the top ranked Ozeki on day 13. Traditionally (as in the last few basho I looked at), the top ranked fights the 3rd ranked on day 14 and the 2nd on day 15.

So Hakuho goes 13-0-2 defeating Goeidou on day 13, withdraws due to has no-fucks-left-to-give-itis and takes the Yusho to match Wajima, and put another feather in his cap. </total Hakuho fan>

[Gurowake 4,100]

5 minutes ago, Morningstar said:

As he is now in the 1st Yokozuna spot, baring any other Yokozuna withdrawals, Hakuho should face the top ranked Ozeki on day 13. Traditionally (as in the last few basho I looked at), the top ranked fights the 3rd ranked on day 14 and the 2nd on day 15.

While this will almost always be true for the top-ranked Yokozuna, one thing to keep in mind if Hakuho withdraws is that Kisenosato and Takayasu would both be in the top 4, so there wouldn't be the normal top 4 schedule the last 3 days (though Kakuryu's schedule would be unlikely to change).  I guess that really has nothing to do with what you're saying, but it was going through my mind and thought I might as well mention it.

Edited November 8, 2018 by Gurowake

[Tigerboy1966 1,474]

Well, it's official now. He's out:

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20181108_16/

[Kuroyama 715]

17 minutes ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

Well, it's official now. He's out:

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20181108_16/

This is the opposite of a surprise.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

32 minutes ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

Well, it's official now. He's out:

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20181108_16/

That opens the yusho race right up. The likes of Mitakeumi, Takayasu and Tochinoshin will now have their eye on upsetting the Yokozuna. I much prefer this sort of basho, personally. 

[Kintamayama 45,503]

As expected, Yokozuna Hakuhou will miss Kyushu Basho, it was announced today. Right knee surgery and right ankle injury did not heal. "This morning, we discussed this together and decided there was no reason to do anything unreasonable-doing sumo at this point would just result in aggravating the injury and continuing the vicious cycle of sumo-injury-healing-injury.. The area where he had surgery is still painful and he can hardly step on the leg. This is the final basho of the year , not to mention the final Kyushu basho of the Heisei era, and I know he really wanted to participate. He is healing favorably so he will be staying in Fukuoka and I think he will be able to participate in the jungyo which will start after the basho. If he heals properly, we will surely see him in Hatsu 2019. This year he had many injuries and is ending it with an injury as well, but I hope he will get better from here on ," said Miyagino Oyakata. This is his 4th kyujo this year.

 

 

 

 

 

[robnplunder 976]

15 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

As expected, Yokozuna Hakuhou will miss Kyushu Basho, it was announced today. Right knee surgery and right ankle injury did not heal. "This morning, we discussed this together and decided there was no reason to do anything unreasonable-doing sumo at this point would just result in aggravating the injury and continuing the vicious cycle of sumo-injury-healing-injury.. The area where he had surgery is still painful and he can hardly step on the leg. This is the final basho of the year , not to mention the final Kyushu basho of the Heisei era, and I know he really wanted to participate. He is healing favorably so he will be staying in Fukuoka and I think he will be able to participate in the jungyo which will start after the basho. If he heals properly, we will surely see him in Hatsu 2019. This year he had many injuries and is ending it with an injury as well, but I hope he will get better from here on ," said Miyagino Oyakata. This is his 4th kyujo this year.

 

 

 

 

 

Easy, smart call and a chance for someone else to take the basho.

[Asapedroryu 235]

If he stays in Fukuoka then he can go and slap Ichinojo every day to wake him up. This way Ichi will be the stronghest yusho contender

[torquato 1,075]

7 hours ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

Well, it's official now. He's out:

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20181108_16/

That means first time after becoming Yokozuna 11 years ago with less than at least two yushos a year.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

20 minutes ago, torquato said:

That means first time after becoming Yokozuna 11 years ago with less than at least two yushos a year.

It’s also the first time in his career, at any rank, that he’s failed to start two tournaments in a calendar year.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

1 minute ago, Kintamayama said:

He started in January, May, July and September.

Exactly, so he failed to start in March and November.

[Kintamayama 45,503]

1 minute ago, Eikokurai said:

Exactly, so he failed to start in March and November.

Getting old.

[Naganoyama 5,945]

He can still join the basho for one day just to beat Goeido...

[orandashoho 720]

2020 is not so far in the future. I dare say that he can still go for a few more yushos before retirement, if he can manage his health with care.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

7 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Getting old.

We all are. :)

[Benevolance 2,510]

Gah! I can't believe Goeidou managed to screw this up! 

[Kintamayama 45,503]

9 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

We all are. :)

Not like me. Every year is like 5 more.