Guess Kisenosato's Aite (M3E Nishikigi) - November 2018

[Gernobono 467]

for me accepting predictions that contain "if"s i just wrong

what would that be if (like jakusotsu did) we post the aite for any kyujo possible?

a prediction is, what it is......uncertain....so....everyone takes the info she/he has and guesses the oppononent for the next day.....so.....those excpecting hakuho to drop out take x and those not, take y......anyone sure kisenoato is in?

[Jejima 1,415]

2 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

So, by that logic a pick like
XXX (if no Sanyaku pulls out before the deadline)
YYY (if one Sanyaku pulls out before the deadline)
ZZZ (if two Sanyaku pull out before the deadline)
will be fine, too?

I think only if each potential withdrawing sanyaku rikishi is actually named.

For this basho, Hakuho is really a toss-up as to whether he will enter. Some players will be able to wait until just before the deadline to see if Hakuho has announced that he won't be participating, and tweak / enter accordingly. Others (like me) probably won't be able to do this. I.e. I have my day 1 pick - but if I knew that Hakuho was not taking part, then I would change it to another riksihi... if I had access to the Internet/computer at the time.

I have a feeling that this will be moot, as any withdrawal of Hakuho is likely to be after the deadline has passed (the Sumo Kyokia tends to announce at the last minute when a big name has withdrawn, unless it was blindingly obvious, and even then, not always...) 

 

[Gernobono 467]

and what's the ruling?

ifs allowed or not?

Edited November 6, 2018 by Gernobono

[Jejima 1,415]

Ifs are allowed (for this basho at least), BUT every if must have an actual named rikishi involved regarding a possible withdrawal.

I will make a questionnaire / poll for after this basho (with hope, I will remember) to see what all players opinions are on this matter. Then we can include in 'official' rules for 2019 onwards.... 

[Gernobono 467]

will be kyujo for this basho and decide afterwards if i continue to play

[Ryoshishokunin 323]

Gernobono: I don't understand why this offends you.  I would like to, if only to avoid losing a player to what should be a minor dispute.  

Some of us live in timezones where the news can be easily checked just before the deadline.  Others do not.  I think making people get up at 2AM to change their guess in an online game is silly, and I think giving people with the good luck to live in a particular timezone an advantage is also silly; hence my support for conditional guesses where appropriate.   You appear to think otherwise: would you care to explain why?

[Gernobono 467]

12 hours ago, Ryoshishokunin said:

Gernobono: I don't understand why this offends you.  

I am not offended, but do not like the rules of the game.....I fully understand your reasoning, but I don't think it is ok for me

if those "if"-s were part of the rules from beginning, I would not have started playing the game....just like I did with other games where I did not like (understand) the rules 

[Ryoshishokunin 323]

1. Ichinojo
2. Mitakeumi

[orandashoho 720]

Every time I play this game, there are last-minute kyujos that cost me one or two matches, sometimes more. Yes, people living in the "right" time zone have a distinct advantage over those that would have to get up in the small hours of the night to check if there have been no last-minute kyujos. It's annoying to lose points this way, but I still think it's more fun to be playing the game accepting those losses than to become a gaming champion at the cost of my health. 

[Andonishiki 170]

agree with Gernobono,

no IFs please 

wait till Thu eve (or Fri mornnin if u are in the Asia time zone) for further news to come out, then make your pick...

IFs make it more difficult for gyojis to do the scoring 

It's a simple game, one player, one pick a day

Lets keep it simple !

 

[Profomisakari 873]

On ‎05‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 12:36, Profomisakari said:

Day 1  If Chiyomaru is set against Arawashi then Ichinojo else too Ichinojo
Day 2  Yoshikaze

I wonder about this kind of voting.
Hakuho's participation or not participation can only be relevant, if it is known before the deadline.
In other case it has to be part of the forecast.

Provomisakari

I hope you see the irony in my tip for Day 1.
But to translate it into the simple: it means "Day 1 Ichinojo".
Of course it would be a disadvantage for us Europeans if Hakuho perhaps declares his non-participation shortly before the deadline.
But just as the two tips were written, the If also included the case that the non-participation is only from the Torikumi.
And I want to be honest: I like to leave the most diligent players the point they (maybe) get if they do just before the deadline change their tip. (Perhaps the tip will still be wrong).

Therefore I am against this kind of "IF".
But I ask to allow the kind of "IF" I used in the past, when I had to type 1 or 2 days in advance (like the following pick I did to Nagoya Basho this year)

On May 8 I wrote:

Quote

 

Day 8 Endo

Day 9 if Endo not on day 8 then Endo
        else Shohozan

Day 10 if Endo not on day 8 or 9 then Endo
        else if Shohozan not on day 8 or 9 then Shohozan
        else Tamawashi

 

Thanks!

This spelling is clear, understandable and can be helpful. And it was also accepted this time.
That Endo just on day 8 retired , was my bad luck.
There are also IF constructions for that, but they are not simple anymore - and they should (Edit, because I I wrote after Midnight:) not be allowed.
But the simple form above I suggest to allow.

Profomisakari

 

Edited November 8, 2018 by Profomisakari

[Jejima 1,415]

I am sensing some strong feelings on this matter.  Let's return to this topic after this basho, to make some firm rules for 2019 onwards.

For this basho, I believe that the only possible problem is whether or not Hakuho will be attending. For me personally, the entry deadline of tomorrow morning (Asia time) happens to coincide with my son's, (Peter) third birthday. I think that I would prefer to make a fuss of him, rather than checking to see whether Hakuho has announced a last minute kyujo or not.

I know who I would select if Hakuho has not gone kyujo (before the entry deadline), and who I would select if Hakuho has gone kyujo (before the entry deadline). My problem is that at the time leading up to the actual deadline, I would prefer to be with Peter, opening his presents and taking him to the park etc.  I am not sure that I should be penalised for prefering this instead of staying at home, waiting by the computer....  Two losses (days 1 and 2) in this game *almost* mean that you are out of the yusho race before the basho has even started..... 

Perhaps  the confusion is that the 'if Hakuho goes kyujo...' etc applies even after the entry deadline.  It doesn't. Any entry with such a condition is to be considered at the time of the deadline. If Hakuho were to go kyujo after that, then bad luck to all.

Anyway, let's discuss 'ifs' again after the basho.

Edited November 8, 2018 by Jejima

[Gurowake 4,107]

For the love of....

My entry is like 99% a placeholder for my real entry which will be modified near the deadline.  It's left in the state it is so I don't have to rethink it and it might even be acceptable in the case where there's an emergency and I don't get to change it.  I don't care one way or another if it's acceptable.  If it's unacceptable but ends up predicting things right, I'll be happy.  I don't care one whit about the scoreboard, and neither should anyone else, IMO.  The game is about guessing someone's aite, not about winning.  We just keep score because, why not?

Getting rid of scoring for conditional guesses won't stop me from making them.  It'll just stop me from scoring absolutely meaningless points, which may suit others' purposes just fine; I don't care at all.

Edited November 8, 2018 by Gurowake

[chishafuwaku 476]

Day 1: Ichinojo

Day 2: Yoshikaze

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

Day 1 - Ichinojo
Day 2 - Tochinoshin

[Jejima 1,415]

1. Mitakeumi (if Hakuho pulls out before the deadline, Ichinojo)
2. Shodai (if Hakuho pulls out before the deadline, Tochinoshin)

With two Yokozunas out....

Maybe

1. Ichinojo
2. Mitakeumi

Edited November 8, 2018 by Jejima

[chishafuwaku 476]

5 hours ago, chishafuwaku said:

Day 1: Ichinojo

Day 2: Yoshikaze

Day 1: Yoshikaze

Day 2: Ichinojo

[orandashoho 720]

Day 1 -- Tochinoshin
Day 2 -- Mitakeumi

[Gurowake 4,107]

Kakuryu exiting ended up not really changing things.

1. Ichinojo
2. Tochinoshin

[Andonishiki 170]

day 1: ichinojo (the first Joe = Ersthans)
day 2: tochinoshin (the nose)

[Tenshinhan 1,612]

Day 1 - Ichinojo
Day 2 - Mitakeumi

[kuroimori 1,634]

D1 - Ichinojo (or 1-no-show?) 

D2 - Tochinoshin (2-chino-shin) 

Edited November 10, 2018 by kuroimori

[Umizoi 27]

Day 1 - Ichinojo
Day 2 - Mitakeumi

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

After all ifs, perhaps, and maybes were settled, all four Yokozuna + one Sekiwake lead 2-0.

Gurowake (2-0)
kuroimori (2-0)
Jakusotsu (2-0)
Sakura (2-0)
Andonishiki (2-0)
Ryoshishokunin (1-1)
Jejima (1-1)
Tenshinhan (1-1)
Profomisakari (1-1)
shimodahito (1-1)
Umizoi (1-1)
Gernobono (0-0-2)
chishafuwaku (0-2)
orandashoho (0-2)
WAKATAKE (0-2)
Ayagawa (0-0-2)
The Kyokai (0-2)

Nishikigi's aites: 1. Ichinojo, 2. Tochinoshin

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

Day 3 - Mitakeumi