GTB January 2019 Hanukka edition and results!

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

2 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

64 for me, around 10th place I would guess...

***Inadvertently invents new game*** 

[Gurowake 4,053]

On 19/12/2018 at 00:57, Asashosakari said:

Any of the top 4 could easily walk out of Hatsu basho as #1, though, as they're separated by as little as 3 or 4 game points. Pandaazuma in provisional 5th place already trails by 7 or 8, a rather large barrier to overcome when chasing four different players.

 

He sure showed you!

[fwuzzle23 66]

First top 25 placement and first time in the sixties...I'll gladly accept it, but I won't lie, I'm slightly disappointed that I got most of the big questions wrong. Still, it's a KK and progress up the GTB banzuke, I'll just have to gambarize further.

[Rocks 1,809]

At least @RaeucherLax  got a 63 and almost Top 10.  Good job @RaeucherLax !!!

[Andonishiki 170]

well, they really DID promote the

‘zero win - lose only -make a fool of himself -too stupid even for a yacho win - yokoclown’

shows the importance of ‘showing up’, helping ticket sales (was already sold out before, wasnt it) and creating news headlines.

i have to accept this judgement... a 0-0 in bench also needs a winner, so here’s to Kise Y1e !!! May a lot of benchplayers chose him in hatsu !

i had  Y1 Haku - Kak, Y2 Kise, therefore i missed out on 5 points... than the score wud be 68. That wud my my best score and rank ever, but well...the rest went very well and the overall rank even improved from #10 to #8. That’s good.

A merry & blessed christmas to all of you, a very happy, joyful & healthy 2019.

May peace prevail on planet Earth

 

 

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

Must say I am pretty baffled as to why people are upset about Kise going to the top. Even if one disagrees with it, one could easily make the case that turning up and fighting (and losing) even for one day outranks a record of total absence. In point of fact, it makes perfect sense in my diseased brain. ;)

Edit: I just read the Tachiai guy saying that the Kise 'promotion' was 'against common sense'. I suppose that can be translated as 'goes against how I personally see things'.

Edited December 25, 2018 by Pandaazuma

[Andonishiki 170]

Dearest Panda,

first of all CONGRATS to your performance, superb guesswork again !

personally, i believe the rank of YOKOZUNA is very special. an honor that only 73 humans ever got awarded. The GODs of SUMO.

these are athletes who know their body very well, which showed trumendous discipline, trained every day for a looong period of time. When they enter the ring, they are supposed to win 80-90%, a 12-3 or better is expected... 

Kisenosato knew about his condition... he probably was overconfident.... or.... he got pushed hard to enter the tournament by the kyokai, his oyakata his koenkai, the media, some fans, etc etc. We all saw what happened. We all experienced a sad athlete who couldnt perform the way, he was expected to. He tried hard, he did all he can, but his opponents were stronger, faster, showed better technique.

He's the only Jpn yokozuna, there hasnt been one before him for many many years, so people want to see him. but they want to see him win and live up to the expectation of his rank. Being a yokozuna beings along lots of obligations.

Y1e is the best of all, the top spot, the dominant athlete of this sport.  

Just showing up, in my humble opinion, is not enough

[Atenzan 1,081]

8 hours ago, Pandaazuma said:

***Inadvertently invents new game*** 

Guess the Guess the Banzuke Banzuke. 

[Pandaazuma 1,310]

59 minutes ago, Andonishiki said:

Dearest Panda,

first of all CONGRATS to your performance, superb guesswork again !

personally, i believe the rank of YOKOZUNA is very special. an honor that only 73 humans ever got awarded. The GODs of SUMO.

these are athletes who know their body very well, which showed trumendous discipline, trained every day for a looong period of time. When they enter the ring, they are supposed to win 80-90%, a 12-3 or better is expected... 

Kisenosato knew about his condition... he probably was overconfident.... or.... he got pushed hard to enter the tournament by the kyokai, his oyakata his koenkai, the media, some fans, etc etc. We all saw what happened. We all experienced a sad athlete who couldnt perform the way, he was expected to. He tried hard, he did all he can, but his opponents were stronger, faster, showed better technique.

He's the only Jpn yokozuna, there hasnt been one before him for many many years, so people want to see him. but they want to see him win and live up to the expectation of his rank. Being a yokozuna beings along lots of obligations.

Y1e is the best of all, the top spot, the dominant athlete of this sport.  

Just showing up, in my humble opinion, is not enough

Hi!

Yeah I get all this of course. But the Japanese wouldn't see it like that. Once you've made yokozuna, you have ALREADY proved yourself. The order of the yokozuna is just a reflection of the records in the previous basho. There is no concept of 'deserving' or 'honour' in having the very top spot. Yokozuna are yokozuna and that is that. ;)

[Asashosakari 19,335]

10 hours ago, Nantonoyama said:

How can you be that good?

Being better at GTGTB than at the actual GTB is both a blessing and a curse.
 

8 hours ago, Pandaazuma said:

***Inadvertently invents new game*** 

I think people have actually joked about guessing the final GTB standings before, or as Atenzan insinuated, guessing its rankings. At any rate, I think I should retire undefeated at this point... 

Edited December 25, 2018 by Asashosakari

[Ganzohnesushi 516]

10 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Ladies and gentlemen, with 76 points, it's Pandaazuma!!

Insane!

Congrats, Simon!

Ganzohnesushi

[Asashosakari 19,335]

7 hours ago, Gurowake said:

He sure showed you!

The second leader change in the last three basho that I didn't see coming, actually, after my own equally unfathomable jump from 6th to 1st after Aki. That badly-aged preview was here:

 

[Atenzan 1,081]

1 hour ago, Asashosakari said:

Being better at GTGTB than at the actual GTB is both a blessing and a curse.
 

I think people have actually joked about guessing the final GTB standings before, or as Atenzan insinuated, guessing its rankings. At any rate, I think I should retire undefeated at this point... 

I think GTGTB is a more interesting game that GTGTBB, but the latter just made for a better one-liner.

Still, there's something to be said about consistently predicting how much you got wrong, but not knowing what it was that you got wrong. 

Not making fun of you here, I genuinely think it's impressive. 

[Kintamayama 45,140]

15 hours ago, Rocks said:

Me too. Complete surprise to me. Did anyone see that coming?

I did as I envisioned that a Sekiwake going down shouldn't be ranked above a guy coming up. Not that it helped me much with my pathetic 6-9 showing, but that - I got.

Edited December 25, 2018 by Kintamayama

[RaeucherLax 288]

15 hours ago, Rocks said:

At least @RaeucherLax  got a 63 and almost Top 10.  Good job @RaeucherLax !!!

Thx a lot!

I've got no clue how I could end up with so many points as I got the Komusubi swap wrong and the "Yokozuna shuffle" as well... but I'll take it as a late Christmas gift 

Happy holidays to all GTB gamers and let's hope Hatsu Basho will provide a good start to 2019.

[Gurowake 4,053]

13 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

I did as I envisioned that a Sekiwake going down shouldn't be ranked above a guy coming up. Not that it helped me much with my pathetic 6-9 showing, but that - I got.

Yeah, if I didn't blindly follow the historical record where not too long ago we had 9-6 M1e -> K1w and 7-8 S1e -> K1e, I would have thought the same thing.  That the demoted Sekiwakes are ranked behind all other Komusubi is the rule I use for the RotoSumo banzuke if only because it's easy to apply consistently rather than have to make some judgement as to when the maegashira are good enough to be ranked higher.  I swear they do things like this so that no one actually is able to guess the entire banzuke; it's rare that no one has exactly what the Kyokai did for one particular rikishi, but the kind of people who would think one thing one place wouldn't think to do some other thing somewhere else.  I see plenty of people that have overall low scores make the same very weird calls the Kyokai does, but it's comparatively rare that someone with a high score makes that same weird choice.

Edited December 26, 2018 by Gurowake

[Ganzohnesushi 516]

On 25/12/2018 at 00:03, Rocks said:

Me too. Complete surprise to me. Did anyone see that coming?

Yep, I also had

Myogiryu  K   Mitakeumi

But with the all wrong Yokozuna ranking I lost 5 points, i.e. I achieved a mere 8-7.

Ganzohnesushi

[Asashosakari 19,335]

GTB scores of 70+, 42-rikishi era (i.e. since Hatsu 2004). The result was yusho unless noted in brackets.

76  2018.03  Pandaazuma
76  2019.01  Pandaazuma
74  2012.05  Itachiyama
74  2013.09  Fatakiyama
74  2013.11  Asashosakari
73  2006.11  Yosouou
73  2013.09  Okisuruga (2nd)
73  2014.03  Gooner
73  2018.03  Chiyonosawa (2nd)
73  2018.09  Asashosakari
73  2019.01  Ryoshishokunin (2nd)
72  2008.01  Seki Haruaki
72  2008.03  Gorgoro
72  2012.05  Taxinohana (2nd)
72  2015.11  Feginowaka
72  2015.11  Takanorappa (2nd on tiebreak)
72  2016.09  Konosato
71  2006.03  Itachiyama
71  2008.07  Meyeryu
71  2009.11  Crall
71  2012.05  Feginowaka (3rd)
71  2013.01  Andoreasu
71  2013.09  Kyokuhagyo (3rd)
71  2014.03  Asashosakari (2nd)
71  2015.11  Chiyonosawa (3rd tied)
71  2015.11  Smoczayama (3rd tied)
71  2016.09  Okisuruga (2nd)
71  2019.01  Manatsumai (3rd)
70  2006.11  Seki Haruaki (2nd)
70  2009.11  Bunijiman (2nd)
70  2012.05  Bafa (4th tied)
70  2012.05  Kaiowaka (4th tied)
70  2012.05  Randomitsuki (4th tied)
70  2013.05  Gooner
70  2013.09  Bafa (4th tied)
70  2013.09  Feginowaka (4th tied)
70  2013.09  Susanoo (4th tied)
70  2014.03  Feginowaka (3rd)
70  2015.01  Asashosakari
70  2015.11  Oskanohana (5th)

Indeed it appears that Pandaazuma's latest is the first time ever that anybody has managed to completely avoid zero-point scores. The one to get closest before was Okisuruga in Aki 2013 with only one zero-pointer (wrong rikishi in the very last maegashira spot). Two zeros, i.e. exactly two rikishi flipped across ranks, has happened a number of times.

For comparison and for completeness, scores of 66+ in the 40-rikishi era - for this, I'm disregarding the 3-point bonus picks that existed during part of that period:

73  2001.11  Kurausu
69  2001.11  Feginowaka (2nd)
68  2002.11  Gernobono
68  2002.11  Zenjimoto (2nd on tiebreak)
67  2000.07  Ekigozan
67  2002.07  Hamanoyama
66  2000.07  Akinomaki (2nd tied)
66  2000.07  Ookihito (2nd tied)
66  2002.07  Ookihito (2nd)
66  2003.01  Flohru
66  2003.11  Bafa

Kurausu missed one point fewer than Pandaazuma did in his 76's, but did manage to have a pair of zeros in there anyway.

Most appearances in the above two lists:

5 Feginowaka
4 Asashosakari
3 Bafa
2 Chiyonosawa, Gooner, Itachiyama, Okisuruga, Ookihito, Pandaazuma, Seki Haruaki
1 (25 players)

Edited December 26, 2018 by Asashosakari

[Fujisan 533]

Sorry I missed this one.....

Other things on my mind but back next time.........

[Feginowaka 53]

On ‎25‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 06:19, Andonishiki said:

...

i had  Y1 Haku - Kak, Y2 Kise, therefore i missed out on 5 points…

 

 

23 hours ago, Ganzohnesushi said:

...

But with the all wrong Yokozuna ranking I lost 5 points,

 

 

I think you both are wrong.

The wrong Yokozuna placement does NOT cost 5 points. It costs 3 points

[Yubinhaad 11,697]

Just one change to the top ten ranks after this edition. Seki Haruaki drops out to be replaced by Heriokuno, making his first appearance in green since 2017 Haru. Not much else to add there, but there were some remarkable numbers put up by guessers this time.

As already indicated in Asashosakari's detailed post above, Pandaazuma's 42 correct guesses is indeed a first, surpassing the previous record of 41 set by Okisuruga in 2013 Aki. Meanwhile, 76 total points equals that record, first set by Kurausu in 2001 Kyushu and equalled once already by Pandaazuma in 2018 Haru. And so the #1 rank changes hands again, with four different holders in the last four basho. I think it's only the third time that has happened, following 2007.05-11 and 2017.05-11.

With 73 points, runner-up Ryoshishokunin equals the highest score by a non-yusho-winner, following Okisuruga (with his 41 correct guesses) in 2013 Aki and Chiyonosawa (also runner-up to Pandaazuma) in 2018 Haru.

Shoutout to Susanoo who is the 11th player to chalk up 17 or more hits in a guess, and the first since Shimodahito (also 17) in 2016 Kyushu.

Feginowaka is the first player to surpass 6,000 career points.

[Shinrei 47]

Two things that help me cope with my dismal GTB result this time are, first:

On 23/12/2018 at 19:20, Gurowake said:

Banzuke decisions are not about what makes sense.  They regularly are inconsistent, or continually make one-off exceptions like with the rearranging of KK Sekiwake only in the case that the west one wins the yusho.  Sure, if that's going to be the rule, fine.  But there are very few hard-and-fast rules, and a bunch of shifting guidelines.

Second, sixteen of my guesses were off by only one rank -- and half of those were off by just one slot (such as 2w instead of 3e).

Since the stat matrix isn't up yet, was anyone else "optimistic" about Mitakeumi by placing him at S1w?

Edited December 30, 2018 by Shinrei

[Akinomaki 40,522]

7 minutes ago, Shinrei said:

Since the stat matrix isn't up yet, was anyone else "optimistic" about Mitakeumi by placing him at S1w?

Aye, I had him there, too - and Terutsuyoshi in - but otherwise only minor deviations - I'm very pleased with my result of 62 points

 

[Shatsume 118]

I had mitakeumi at S1w, kise at Y2e and Terutsuyoshi up. These plus other more forgivable mistakes got me 47 points, oh dear 

[Ryoshishokunin 288]

On 24/12/2018 at 23:03, Rocks said:

On 24/12/2018 at 22:11, Asashosakari said:

 

Me too. Complete surprise to me. Did anyone see that coming?

Looks like 21 people put Myogiryu at k1e... but only 11 put Mitakeumi at k1w, an even more unpopular option than Mita at S1W and Tamawashi held at Komusubi.  That means only 11 people got both BEs at Komusubi out of 79....

The other big gamble (Y ranks) was 28:51 in favour of what actually happened.  

Terutsuyoshi had 45 believers to 30 for Daishomaru.  *shrug*.