Takakeisho injury update

[Gabriel 13]

Baseless speculation... Ok. As it is said in Spain "Para ti la perra gorda". You think you can regain full power with a torn pec. Ok. That makes a lot of sense. That seems to be logical in your terms. 

[robnplunder 975]

For those who were athletes before, you know any major injury needs more rest than you think.   If you think you can come back in 2 months, it actually is 3 months.   You know what I mean.   I think this is the case with Takakeisho.   His youthful optimism is making him take a risk.   Many play with injury thinking they can be careful.  Well, we will see if Takakeisho is being stupid or not.   My money is he will likely re-injure himself or he won't do well in the next basho due to his bravado.   My 2 cents which is often worth 0 cent.

[word20 21]

On 06/10/2019 at 11:30, robnplunder said:

For those who were athletes before, you know any major injury needs more rest than you think.   If you think you can come back in 2 months, it actually is 3 months.   You know what I mean.   I think this is the case with Takakeisho.   His youthful optimism is making him take a risk.   Many play with injury thinking they can be careful.  Well, we will see if Takakeisho is being stupid or not.   My money is he will likely re-injure himself or he won't do well in the next basho due to his bravado.   My 2 cents which is often worth 0 cent.

Exactly, If Takakeisho do not rest as needed or maybe surgery, then probably he will be the next person going down and demoted to lower divisions

[Akinomaki 40,593]

Takakeisho's bruising has almost disappeared by now. Yesterday he trained at the teppou pole and carried weights  - but only beating the pole without putting strain on the chest, no real thrusting yet. "It's slightly better now. With the color vanished one may think it has healed, but it's not much different."  http://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/sports/sumou/1577856/

 

[Eikokurai 3,437]

14 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Takakeisho's bruising has almost disappeared by now. Yesterday he trained at the teppou pole and carried weights  - but only beating the pole without putting strain on the chest, no real thrusting yet. "It's slightly better now. With the color vanished one may think it has healed, but it's not much different."  http://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/sports/sumou/1577856/

 

I hope the clear signs of pseudoscientific “cupping” on his stablemate’s back aren’t evidence of the heya’s medicinal standards.

[WAKATAKE 2,660]

1 hour ago, Eikokurai said:

I hope the clear signs of pseudoscientific “cupping” on his stablemate’s back aren’t evidence of the heya’s medicinal standards.

Ichinojo has had this done too and it’s sipposed to help with back problems. In fact the one who does it for Ichinojo is the heya okami San if I remember correctly.

[Benihana 1,929]

5 hours ago, WAKATAKE said:

Ichinojo has had this done too and it’s sipposed to help with back problems. In fact the one who does it for Ichinojo is the heya okami San if I remember correctly.

And if it was the emperor of china who applied the cups, the effect remains psychological. Like with globuli, or snake oil, rhino horn, pangolin scales, tiger penis, virgin blood, energized water, etc.. I'd put my money on his archery excercises.

[robnplunder 975]

7 hours ago, Benihana said:

And if it was the emperor of china who applied the cups, the effect remains psychological. Like with globuli, or snake oil, rhino horn, pangolin scales, tiger penis, virgin blood, energized water, etc.. I'd put my money on his archery excercises.

Well, have you tried tiger penis? 

I agree with Takakeisho that disappearing "color" does not mean the injury is ok.   He still needs to take it very slowly.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

3 hours ago, robnplunder said:

Well, have you tried tiger penis? 

I agree with Takakeisho that disappearing "color" does not mean the injury is ok.   He still needs to take it very slowly.

Tiger penis is Grrrreeeeaaat!

Particularly for breakfast.

Edited October 9, 2019 by Eikokurai

[ALAKTORN 346]

Cupping is nothing new in sumō. Mitakeumi had it done too.

[Sue 508]

On 08/10/2019 at 12:05, Eikokurai said:

I hope the clear signs of pseudoscientific “cupping” on his stablemate’s back aren’t evidence of the heya’s medicinal standards.

Sumo is traditional. Traditional Chinese/Japanese medicine, including acupuncture, moxibustion, and shiatsu (which is organically Japanese) is traditional.

It's also a relatively non-invasive way to activate the placebo effect.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

5 hours ago, Sue said:

Sumo is traditional. Traditional Chinese/Japanese medicine, including acupuncture, moxibustion, and shiatsu (which is organically Japanese) is traditional.

It's also a relatively non-invasive way to activate the placebo effect.

I’m aware of that. My point was that I hope they don’t favour traditional and non-scientific methods over actual medicine. 

[Akinomaki 40,593]

Takakeisho on the 11th restarted training on the dohyo at the heya - preparing to join the jungyo

o oo

o oooo

[Jabbamaru 167]

150kg...1,70m...thats a lot of weight, proportionaly...second serious injury with only 23...I don't know...Dont sounds good.

[Raishu 208]

4 hours ago, Jabbamaru said:

150kg...1,70m...thats a lot of weight, proportionaly...second serious injury with only 23...I don't know...Dont sounds good.

Wrong numbers. Add 20kg and 5cm.

[Philioyamfugi 378]

I'm just gonna say the first injury in his first ozeki appearance against Mita bummed me out... Now this again against Mita...ugh .  I hope he will recover.. Nuff said ... 

[Sue 508]

Meanwhile, in North America, the Steelers (of the NFL) just shut down (star player) Stephon Truitt for the season after a similar injury. It's a shame that sumo doesn't have the concept of "season-ending surgery."

Edited October 17, 2019 by Sue

[Gabriel 13]

35 minutes ago, Sue said:

Meanwhile, in North America, the Steelers (of the NFL) just shut down (star player) Stephon Truitt for the season after a similar injury. It's a shame that sumo doesn't have the concept of "season-ending surgery."

There is no surgery for the injury Takakeisho has.

[sekitori 492]

2 hours ago, Sue said:

Meanwhile, in North America, the Steelers (of the NFL) just shut down (star player) Stephon Tuitt for the season after a similar injury. It's a shame that sumo doesn't have the concept of "season-ending surgery."

Tuitt's injury and Takakeisho's, while involviing the same muscle, are entirely different. Tuitt's resulted in a torn pectoral tendon. Takakeisho's was only to the muscle itself. His tendon was not affected. The treatment for Tuiitt's injury was season-ending surgery. The treatment for Takakeisho's is rest, with the torn muscle eventually healing by itself. The only question will be how long it will take for that healing to be complete. 

[Akinomaki 40,593]

Takakeisho is experiencing himself now that the jungyo ruins the health of the rikishi:

"The 2nd jungyo day fatigue appeared. Because when coming to the jungyo, there are the transfers and only a few time to rest." Last time he was at the jungyo was in April. Today the jungyo enter his home area Kansai http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2019/10/18/kiji/20191018s00005000087000c.html

[Kaminariyuki 499]

On 04/10/2019 at 06:56, Gabriel said:

paradoxically, what can take his career down is the pec injury, not the knee one.

I've only been watching sumo for five years, but it seems very difficult to get accurate info on a rikishi's health status. I really thought Takakeisho should sit out another tournament, but he came and showed that he was indeed ready to get back in the dohyo. Folks are secretive for good reason, of course. Opponents will focus on a weakness, and reciprocally if one can insinuate a weakness that isn't there, then they concentrate on an advantage they don't have. I haven't been following what's being said about Tak's pectoral injury, but it looked awfully similar to Kisenosato's injury and we saw where that led. I wish Takakeisho the best, as he's one of the best of the new young wrestlers, if not the very best of the new crop. It would be a true shame to lose him at this stage of his career.

[sekitori 492]

20 minutes ago, Kaminariyuki said:

I haven't been following what's being said about Tak's pectoral injury, but it looked awfully similar to Kisenosato's injury and we saw where that led. 

The description of an injury can be very confusing. A broken arm can consist of a small hairline fracture. It can also be an extremely severe compound fracture. "Broken arm" in and of itself doesn't mean very much. Neither do the words "pectoral injury".

As I mentioned previously, the only similarity between Kisenosato's and Takakeisho's injuries is that a tear of the pectoralis major muscle occurred.  Kisenosato's involved the tendon at the top of the muscle while Takakeisho's was of the belly or middle of the muscle itself. Kisenosato's was much more severe, requiring surgery to heal properly. It was never performed. Takakeisho's course of treatment is having the muscle heal itself with time. No surgery is required. 

When "pectoral injury" is mentioned, think of "broken arm". There can be several interpretations for each one, some far more severe than others. 

[Gabriel 13]

11 hours ago, sekitori said:

The description of an injury can be very confusing. A broken arm can consist of a small hairline fracture. It can also be an extremely severe compound fracture. "Broken arm" in and of itself doesn't mean very much. Neither do the words "pectoral injury".

As I mentioned previously, the only similarity between Kisenosato's and Takakeisho's injuries is that a tear of the pectoralis major muscle occurred.  Kisenosato's involved the tendon at the top of the muscle while Takakeisho's was of the belly or middle of the muscle itself. Kisenosato's was much more severe, requiring surgery to heal properly. It was never performed. Takakeisho's course of treatment is having the muscle heal itself with time. No surgery is required. 

When "pectoral injury" is mentioned, think of "broken arm". There can be several interpretations for each one, some far more severe than others. 

But that bruise is related to a major injury and you never recover full power from this  because your pec is never as thick as it was. I know personally a few people with pec injuries involving the belly muscle and none of them have the power they usually had. My opinion is that Takakeishos sumo will be affected by this injury in the long term, but time will show us if I am right or wrong. 

[Yamanashi 3,854]

6 hours ago, Gabriel said:

, but time will show us if I am right or wrong. 

Whoa, whoa, whoa, let's not start dealing in wild speculation here!    ...   

[Churaumi 743]

Meh. He is young, talented, and works hard. Even if this results in a permanent deficit, he should be able to adapt his sumo to compensate. The question is, will he be able to compensate enough. My money is on yes, but I won’t stake your life on it either.