Eikokurai 3,437 Posted July 23, 2019 23 hours ago, botev1921 said: Not that I often get these correct, but it would only be fair (or at least not too unfair towards anyone) for this to happen: Mitakeumi S Takakeisho Abi K Endo Hokutofuji M1 Aoiyama Asanoyama M2 Ichinojo Daieisho M3 Tomokaze To me the bigger question is will Shimanoumi be stuck at M5 or even just move from West to East to accomodate Tamawashi and Ryuden not being overdemoted. What is the biggest demotion from sanyaku with 4-5 wins since right now all the likes of Shimanoumi, Miogiryu and Chiyotairyu should probably be deserving a higher slot than Ryuden. The biggest demotion from Sekiwake with 5-10 was to M4e, which has happened a few times. http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_rank=S&form1_wins=5&form1_losses=10 A 4-11 Komusubi like Ryuden shouldn’t be too shocked if they fall as far as M6 or even M7. There are several precedents for that. http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_rank=K&form1_wins=4&form1_losses=11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lackmaker 437 Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Jakusotsu said: I'm just tinkering with my first GTB draft, and admittedly a third Sekiwake slot would make the whole joi-situation a bit less awful. But that has never been a deciding factor, has it? It's not been a factor up until now. But as you've made your difficulty clear it would be very unfair not to include that 3rd slot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benihana 1,929 Posted July 23, 2019 3 hours ago, lackmaker said: it would be very unfair not to include that 3rd slot. The members of the banzuke committee right now: Spoiler 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,320 Posted July 26, 2019 After a while, a juryo and makushita-joi guess from me again. Rather crowded upper half in juryo, and I suspect I've been too lenient with demoted Chiyomaru and Yago. Not sure if keeping Takanosho out of makuuchi is my last word concerning my eventual GTB entry. Chiyomaru (M13e 5-10) J1 Takanosho (J4w 9-6) Chiyoshoma (J3e 8-7) J2 Tokushoryu (J1e 7-8) Daiamami (J8e 11-4) J3 Wakatakakage (J4e 8-7) Yago (M15e 4-11) J4 Daishomaru (J7w 9-6) Kiribayama (J9w 10-5) J5 Takanofuji (J12e 11-4) Hidenoumi (J7e 8-7) J6 Mitoryu (J9e 9-6) Kyokushuho (J5e 7-8) J7 Yoshikaze (M11e 0-0-15) Tobizaru (J6w 7-8) J8 Ichiyamamoto (J13e 9-6) Kyokutaisei (J11e 8-7) J9 Kaisei (M15w 1-10-4) Gagamaru (J2w 3-12) J10 Sokokurai (J5w 4-11) Kotonowaka (J14w 8-7) J11 Seiro (Ms1e 5-2) Chiyonoumi (J10e 6-9) J12 Ikioi (J8w 5-10) Irodori (Ms1w 4-3) J13 Asagyokusei (Ms3e 4-3) Kizakiumi (J13w 7-8) J14 Kaisho (Ms4w 4-3) Arawashi (J10w 5-10) Ms1 Wakamotoharu (Ms5w 5-2) Akua (Ms7e 6-1) Ms2 Ryuko (J12w 4-11) Nishikifuji (Ms8w 5-2) Ms3 Akiseyama (J14e 4-11) Kototebakari (Ms8e 4-3) Ms4 Midorifuji (Ms11w 5-2) Chiyonoo (Ms41w 7-0 Y) Ms5 Hoshoryu (Ms2w 3-4) Asabenkei (Ms13e 5-2) Ms6 Nogami (Ms10w 4-3) Tsurubayashi (Ms20w 6-1) Ms7 Churanoumi (Ms3w 3-4) Chiyootori (Ms4e 3-4) Ms8 Kotodaigo (Ms12w 4-3) Toyohibiki (Ms13w 4-3) Ms9 Masutoo (Ms25e 6-1) Shiba (Ms19e 5-2) Ms10 Kaito (Ms15e 4-3) Naya (Ms6w 3-4) Ms11 Daiseido (Ms2e 2-5) Sakigake (Ms22e 5-2) Ms12 Ryusei (Ms17e 4-3) Oki (Ms31w 6-1) Ms13 Hokaho (Ms23e 5-2) Wakayama (Ms18e 4-3) Ms14 Asatenmai (Sd20e 7-0 D) Bushozan (Ms9e 3-4) Ms15 Shonannoumi (Ms19w 4-3) (My original draft on Monday had juryo-bound Kaisho only at Ms2e behind even Akua...) 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koorifuu 999 Posted July 26, 2019 Interesting how the scarcity of good upper makushita scores is going to dampen Ryuko's fall. That's good news, I feel for the young man. If I stepped on his shoes, I'd probably go into existential crisis as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,052 Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) My Juryo draft is practically the same (swap Hidenoumi-Mitoryu, Irodori-Ikioi) except where it's the most difficult, the top few ranks. I have: Takagenji J1 Chiyomaru Daiamami J2 Chiyoshoma Tokushoryu J3 Wakatakakage I think it's kinda nuts to put Daiamami behind Chiyoshoma; as much as I think a very similar thing will happen with Tomokaze, the joi in Makuuchi is a completely different animal in my mind than the top ranks of Juryo. The slope of the quality of rikishi is so much lower in Juryo that I think sticking more to the numbers makes more sense. Not saying that I'm likely to be correct, but I still think it would be nuts. I suppose they could say it's simply nuts to demote Tokushoryu that much, and the only option to demote him less is to switch him with Daiamami. The time where Tochinoshin won the Yusho near the bottom of the division and ended up at J5 when some people thought he would be promoted, it was even more crowded, and Sotairyu with the same rank/record as Tokushoryu ended up as only J2w certainly suggests that they may make that sort of decision, kicking a ton of bad luck down to one rikishi with a good record from the lower parts of the division for the sake of keeping the demotions of those near the top down. I'm not bothering with makushita projections any more; my old data on movement sizes that took me hours to collect seems to have been superseded and I'm not going to spend more time to try to improve it. Edited July 26, 2019 by Gurowake 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,052 Posted July 28, 2019 I just had the thought of making a poll as to how many Sekiwake there would be on the next banzuke, with the possible answers as A) There will not be a next banzuke B) 0 C) 1 D) 2 or more Yes, it's a joke. I've been giggling about it for a while. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
botev1921 33 Posted August 25, 2019 On 22/07/2019 at 16:40, botev1921 said: Not that I often get these correct, but it would only be fair (or at least not too unfair towards anyone) for this to happen: Mitakeumi S Takakeisho Abi K Endo Hokutofuji M1 Aoiyama Asanoyama M2 Ichinojo Daieisho M3 Tomokaze To me the bigger question is will Shimanoumi be stuck at M5 or even just move from West to East to accomodate Tamawashi and Ryuden not being overdemoted. What is the biggest demotion from sanyaku with 4-5 wins since right now all the likes of Shimanoumi, Miogiryu and Chiyotairyu should probably be deserving a higher slot than Ryuden. Almost 100% correct here :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
