2019 Kyushu Basho Discussion (spoiler alert)

[cyclonicleo 19]

20 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Hilarious first attempt at the tachi-ai by Yutakayama and Enho. The gyoji called it as a matta but it should have been permitted.

Then at the second attempt Enho just runs right at his aite. Hehe. Mind games.

Third attempt was a repeat of the first and the gyoji let it slide, though he did not look happy about it. Everyone was confused. “Oh, we can fight?” Great little scrap.

I absolutely LOVED this. This is the sort of thing that makes for great TV and brings in casual punters. Yes, its not strict and the NSK would be decidedly cheesed off, but this is the sort of thing that livens up a basho. A bit of spectacle never hurts and this was rather intriguing....and Konnosuke was pissed!

[cyclonicleo 19]

19 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Ooh ... a little snipe from Hakuho there after the second tachiai. The YDC will be drafting a stern warning letter!

I was a bit disappointed to see that. Hakuho is human though, but I thought it was a bit unbecoming of a Yokozuna.

[Kuhne 57]

17 minutes ago, cyclonicleo said:

I was a bit disappointed to see that. Hakuho is human though, but I thought it was a bit unbecoming of a Yokozuna.

Me too. I like Hakuho, obviously the goat and all but when he does crap like that I just want to see him lose.

but then I saw the replay and that false start was so ridiculous, tamawashi did it 100% to mess with Hakuho, they was no way he thought it was time to go, look at his hands, I think Hakuho noticed he was being trolled and pushed him back. Tamawashi also has a permanent troll face, hard to know.’So maybe I’m sort of ok with it now

 

 

[cyclonicleo 19]

3 minutes ago, Kuhne said:

but then I saw the replay and that false start was so ridiculous, tamawashi did it 100% to mess with Hakuho, they was no way he thought it was time to go, look at his hands, I think Hakuho noticed he was being trolled and pushed him back. Tamawashi also has a permanent troll face, hard to know.’So maybe I’m sort of ok with it now

I do agree. I think Hakuho should've taken the higher ground but Tamawashi was playing silly buggers a bit with him.

 

[Asashosakari 19,395]

53 minutes ago, Rocks said:

You'd be wrong reckoning that. Thought it from the start and still do. Sorry to depress you. 

Then I'll be blunt and say that your posts on this subject have reached a stage where taking a few days off from using the keyboard may not be the worst idea. Disliking a particular rikishi is fine. But the claims and arguments you come up with to justify that dislike are becoming more and more absurd with every tournament. At this point I'm probably not the only one who feels as though you're ranting about some bizarro version of Enho that bears very little resemblance to the real one.

Edited November 18, 2019 by Asashosakari

[sekitori 492]

I believe I understand why the sumo elders think so negatively about Hakuho's use of the harite and blows with his forearm. I doubt if it has anything to do with proper behavior for a yokozuna. I think the real reason is that Hakuho, who has won 42 yushos (and counting) and dominatied sumo like no one has ever before has been far more successful than they would like to see. 

They suggest that Hakuho stop the use of totally legal techniques, hoping that will provide some sort of handicap. They merely want to take away what they feel is an "unfair" advantage by the greatest rikishi of all time. That makes no sense to me at all. I don’t understand why complying with a rule and using it to one’s benefit can in any way be construed as being unfair. 

If the NSK feels that use of the harite and the forearm shiver are dangerous or provide some sort of undeserved advantage, all they have to do is make either or both of them illegal for all rikishis. If they don't, their "techniques unbecoming a yokozuna" statement means absolutely nothing, at least to me. 

I probably am in a minority regarding this thinking and I welcome any comments to the contrary.

 

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,274]

They didn't like it when osunaarashi did it too often either, though it seems like Takayasu's volleyball smash is ok. To be honest I'm ok with harite but the elbow smash does seem a bit over the top at times.

I think they try to keep this under control by enforcing the hands down giving less time to do these things but it's not so effective. Outright banning is going too far down the judo path.

Maybe I'd they just set the lines a little closer and forced the hands to be on the lines, you'd see less crazy tachi ai in all respects (forearms, henkas, blast offs )

[Rocks 1,809]

3 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Then I'll be blunt and say that your posts on this topic have reached a stage where taking a few days off from using the keyboard may not be the worst idea. Disliking a particular rikishi is fine. But the claims and arguments you come up with to justify that dislike are becoming more and more absurd with every tournament. At this point I'm probably not the only one who feels as though you're ranting about some bizarro version of Enho that bears very little resemblance to the real one.

I need take no break. I made a comment on a match. Someone answered me. I replied.  I've done no ranting nor posted a post here which was not in response to something said by me or asked of me. And I resent your suggestion I've reached any sort of "stage" different from anyone else commenting on this.  I don't dislike Enho.  The claims and arguments I have made here are because  I have reasoned them to be true. You can think whatever you wish about that but rely on the fact I honestly believe that. I would not make such a comment if I did not.

And I would ask something.  I don't make comments, outside of a tough loss in a sumo game, emotionally. Please do not allow my occasionally forgetting  a word or a typo to allow you to think I make offhand comments. I don't. I think carefully about what I comment.

[WAKATAKE 2,660]

Enho is the Hattorizakura we've wanted to see at the top

[Benihana 1,929]

Didn't Mainoumi have a head-implant to be taller, so he wasn't 171cm for real?

[WAKATAKE 2,660]

Major wins in the lower divisions today:

Ura gets his fifth win to stay in the jonidan yusho race

https://hochi.news/articles/20191118-OHT1T50073.html

Terunofuji gets his fifth win today, now two wins away from returning to Juryo. Heyamate Midorifuji also got his fifth, keeping both of them in the makushita yusho race

https://hochi.news/articles/20191118-OHT1T50136.html

Motobayashi gets his fifth win today in sandanme, and becomes the 14th person in the modern era to get 19 straight wins from pro debut. At the same time, he enters the top 10 list and shares a 6 way tie in 9th place with Konishiki, Daishoyama, Roho, Sakaizawa, and Ishiura

[Kaninoyama 1,797]

Looks like ex-Yoshikaze Nakamura is in the NHK broadcast booth today. Look forward to hearing him reflect on his career. 

Edited November 18, 2019 by Kaninoyama

[yohcun 401]

So we have two sets of heya-mates in the lead for the makushita yusho. We could be in for an interesting play-off.

[Benihana 1,929]

1 hour ago, Rocks said:

I need take no break.

Well...Enho is only in makuuchi because auf bout-fixing, so the fans can have a mascot. Isn't that basically what you said in your posts?

[Akinomaki 40,594]

Enho had to fight 2 opponents in his bouts - today he won, overcoming Konosuke

Edited November 18, 2019 by Akinomaki

[Otokonoyama 2,735]

 

 

Edited November 18, 2019 by Otokonoyama

[robnplunder 975]

Wow, if head butting is an Olympic sport, Hokutofuji will get a medal.  He busted Takakeisho's nose with his head.   

 

I don't get this "Enho way of sumo is not right" sentiment by a few.   He is literally battling against opponents twice his size which forces him to be creative, smart, quick, ....   IMO, many sumo bouts start and end in lackluster way.   I can always count on Enho's match to be exciting, unexpected.   Enjoy while Enho is healthy.  The little guy may not last long in the world of giants.   

[Morty 1,495]

They are really cracking down on Tsurugisho at the tachiai this basho. Has there been a day where he hasn't been called for a matta?

[Gabriel 13]

Shohozan is developing great and versatile sumo this basho. Nice to see him.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

1 hour ago, Gabriel said:

Shohozan is developing great and versatile sumo this basho. Nice to see him.

Wow, yeah, just seen his bout. Good sideways mobility and a very photogenic throw to finish Onosho off.

[Asashosakari 19,395]

6 hours ago, Rocks said:

And I would ask something.  I don't make comments, outside of a tough loss in a sumo game, emotionally. Please do not allow my occasionally forgetting  a word or a typo to allow you to think I make offhand comments. I don't. I think carefully about what I comment.

Has your careful thinking ever led to a situation in which you concluded that it was you who was wrong about something rather than everybody else? The answer to that may enlighten folks here as to the usefulness of engaging in future debates with you.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

Okay, this really has nothing to do with the honbasho, but after watching the Endo-Okinoumi bout with me my three-year-old asked to “me sumo you” and promptly crouched on the floor with his fists down waiting for me to tachiai with him. It might be the cutest thing he’s ever done.

I totally flattened him. 

[since_94 650]

20 hours ago, Joaoiyama said:

No one seen this? Watching Enho vs Yutakayama i was actually surprised with the gyoji declaring the first tachi ai a false start although he needed to hakkeyoi on the second to urge them to take action.

The sumo on display was so much better back then, wasn’t it? Rare to see anything even remotely as entertaining these days. The old vids make me feel like the sport is in the tank these days, technique wise. Pushing thrusting slapping slipping or some combination thereof 95% of the  time now.

[Akinomaki 40,594]

14 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Has your careful thinking ever led to a situation in which you concluded that it was you who was wrong about something rather than everybody else? The answer to that may enlighten folks here as to the usefulness of engaging in future debates with you.

Our Rocks has provided the material for many interesting replies and enriched the discussion, before the thing drifted on to personal aspects that don't belong in this thread and should be pointed out in PMs. You can't argue with rocks anyway, they are famous for being stubborn.

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,274]

Man the geisha came prepared today. Do you have to be one to be allowed in with a big tub of sake or can anyone do that? Cause I’m seriously thinking about rolling in with one next time.