2019 Kyushu Basho Discussion (spoiler alert)

[Amamaniac]

11 minutes ago, Giku Squad said:

I'm more excited for Makushita today than Makkuchi, lol.

Is that because the "Giku" isn't giving his Squad much to cheer about?  An MK is definitely not cheer-worthy. 

[Dwale]

1 hour ago, Amamaniac said:

I got the impression that Takakeisho may have been seeing stars after his head-on-head tachiai with Kotoyuki today.  Even the ringside judge (shinpan) seemed to be be concerned (assuming that that is what he asked Takakeisho about when the latter resumed sitting – shinpan rarely if ever have verbal exchanges with wrestlers!).  How many concussions do there have to be before sumo wrestlers start wearing helmets?

I believe I saw a thin trickle of blood from Takakeisho's eye. 

[Katooshu]

Ya looks a bit marked up, that or he has a thing for red/pink eye make-up

[Eikokurai]

4 hours ago, Kaminariyuki said:

Ishiura today by okuridashi (maybe my new favorite winning technique). I suppose, given his even record, there's no chance of a technique prize? And, for the technique prize, is it actually helpful to use unusual kimarite or is it given typically and simply for excellent execution of technique?

I was curious if there's a record of overall winning kimarite in makouchi, not just by particular wrestlers? I poked around a little bit without finding it, but somehow I'm guessing it's on this forum somewhere... I know that Ishiura already used the very rare mitokorozeme this basho, but I think his other three wins may be by more conventional kimarite. 

People often assume it’s for unusual techniques, but technically (ahem) it’s for execution. Okuridashi isn’t all that unusual though. It’s not seen loads just because you have to get behind your opponent to do it, but nor is it rare. Usually it occurs less as a result of a plan and more because the bout ended up being a bit of a mess. It’s an opportunistic kimarite.

As for kimarite data, are you familiar with the sumo database? If not, you’re going to have fun: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/

Here’s the data for okuridashi in Makuuchi (all time): http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&m=on&kimarite=31&onlyw1=on

As you’ll see, there have already been three instances of it just this basho. 

Edited November 20, 2019 by Eikokurai

[Konosato]

No Yusho in Jonidan for Ura who lost today against Chiyotora, 16 years, from Kokonoe

[Akinomaki]

Kotoyuki should skip the chiri-chouzu at the start of the shikiri preparations - it is meant to show that you fight with your bare hands

[Eikokurai]

Takakeisho makes his eight and finally gets his first Ozeki kachikoshi in his third basho at the rank.

Of course, this means there’s very little drama to be played out over the final four days. The yusho is Hakuho’s to lose, which he won’t, and there isn’t much else going on.

I guess the only thing to keep an eye on is whether Mitakeumi can KK and then whether Daieisho can challenge for a Komusubi slot, plus the usual KK chases.

Edited November 20, 2019 by Eikokurai

[sumojoann]

1 hour ago, Akinomaki said:

Kotoyuki should skip the chiri-chouzu at the start of the shikiri preparations - it is meant to show that you fight with your bare hands

I have never understood why Kotoyuki gets away with taping his hands like he does.  Does anyone know why?

[Amamaniac]

10 hours ago, Dwale said:

I believe I saw a thin trickle of blood from Takakeisho's eye. 

Indeed.  There was a bruise under his left eye today.  

[Kintamayama]

Again, Kounosuke did not call a clear matta in the Enhou match. You bad people have broken my man. He hardly utters a sound now. And is back to pink. I object!

[Kintamayama]

4 hours ago, Konosato said:

No Yusho in Jonidan for Ura who lost today against Chiyotora, 16 years, from Kokonoe

It wasn't that simple- gyoji gave it to Ura, monoii, sashi-chigae.

[Rainoyama]

1 hour ago, sumojoann said:

I have never understood why Kotoyuki gets away with taping his hands like he does.  Does anyone know why?

Well he only does oshi zumo, I think the reason he is doing this is to keep his fingers together when he slaps and avoid injury, he has a valid reason and taping is allowed I don't see why he couldn't

[Eikokurai]

3 minutes ago, Rainoyama said:

Well he only does oshi zumo, I think the reason he is doing this is to keep his fingers together when he slaps and avoid injury, he has a valid reason and taping is allowed I don't see why he couldn't

Taping to protect an injury is a valid reason; taping to avoid it? I’m not so sure. Generally people wear supports on joints that are already injured. Perhaps he is doing that, but then his hands have been hurt for a very long time.

[Otokonoyama]

 

[neonbelly]

Alright, we're at that part of the tournament where Hakuho will matta twice before every match.

[Eikokurai]

Ooh ... an utchari from Shodai. Very nice.

Nishikigi has a makekoshi every basho this year, right? Poor chap.

Edited November 20, 2019 by Eikokurai

[rhyen]

13 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Expanding on this: What?!?!?

Someone’s mawashi actually came loose?

[Rainoyama]

44 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Taping to protect an injury is a valid reason; taping to avoid it? I’m not so sure. Generally people wear supports on joints that are already injured. Perhaps he is doing that, but then his hands have been hurt for a very long time.

When the fingers are tapped together there's a lower chance to bend one of them awkwardly while slapping plus as you said it can support an already injured finger

[Morty]

1 hour ago, Eikokurai said:

Taping to protect an injury is a valid reason; taping to avoid it? I’m not so sure. Generally people wear supports on joints that are already injured. Perhaps he is doing that, but then his hands have been hurt for a very long time.

A lot like Cowboy Bob Orton's "broken" arm....

[Morty]

Utchari!!!!!!! My favourite technique. Great work Shodai.

A really fabulous day of sumo, some great bouts, lots of good throws, 

 

Edited November 20, 2019 by Morty

[since_94]

39 minutes ago, Morty said:

Utchari!!!!!!! My favourite technique. Great work Shodai.

A really fabulous day of sumo, some great bouts, lots of good throws, 

 

Yes, Shodai’s last ditch effort was a beautiful throw to watch. Ishiura doing some great sumo, too. That shitatenage against Kotoeko was lightning quick and perfectly executed.

[Gabriel]

7 hours ago, Konosato said:

No Yusho in Jonidan for Ura who lost today against Chiyotora, 16 years, from Kokonoe

But, from what I see, Ura had won that match, what is your opinion about?

[Gabriel]

1 hour ago, since_94 said:

Yes, Shodai’s last ditch effort was a beautiful throw to watch. Ishiura doing some great sumo, too. That shitatenage against Kotoeko was lightning quick and perfectly executed.

Very nice movement by Shodai. Shodai seems to be strong but sometimes, cold, apathic.

[Ryoshishokunin]

10 minutes ago, Gabriel said:

But, from what I see, Ura had won that match, what is your opinion about?

He lost it on review.  The shimpan called a mono-ii and reversed the gyoji's decision.  

[Ryoshishokunin]

3 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Taping to protect an injury is a valid reason; taping to avoid it? I’m not so sure. Generally people wear supports on joints that are already injured. Perhaps he is doing that, but then his hands have been hurt for a very long time.

Taping to avoid it is super-not cool.  Boxers can hit each other way harder with gloves than they can bare-knuckled because they don't cause themselves damage when they do.  Covering the hand in mittens of tape should have the same effect--one can hit people harder than he otherwise would.  (If for no other reason than tape is less pleasant than skin to get slapped with.)