September (Aki) Basho- offical thread (yay..)

[Amamaniac 2,079]

26 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

5 hours ago, Amamaniac said:

At this point, I am convinced he is trying to outdo Goeido in terms of tournaments spent in "junior" Sanyaku.

Before promotion to Ozeki, Goeido was Komusubi 4X and Sekiwake 14X (nice long streak therein), whereas Mitakeumi has been Komusubi 7X and Sekiwake 14X.  Thus Mitakeumi's total "junior" Sanyaku stint is actually longer than Goeido's.  Perhaps there are other wrestlers that have had longer such stints.

Another interesting comparison between the two aforementioned wrestlers is that Mitakeumi spent only 9 tournaments in Maegashira, whereas Goeido was there for 22 tournaments.

Difficult to know if we should view Mitakeumi as being a shooting star that hit a wall or as being a future late bloomer.

Wakanosato comes to mind.

Starting in Kyushu 2000 and up to Aki 2005, he was only out of junior sanyaku twice - making it back with a KK from M1 both times.

Yup!  A simple check reveals that Wakanosato registered Komosubi 9X and Sekiwake 17X, which means ... Mitakeumi has a new goal to shoot for! 

[Amamaniac 2,079]

20 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

5 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

You're obviously new around here 

I think you are letting your personal feelings about him get in the way of the truth, which is that he is loved by one and all, except some and few. I am obviously not new around here and haven't seen  a lot of  people dissing him, not something that falls under the "polarized' category. Not even close.

Kintamayama-sama, your personal feelings about Kimura Konosuke are known to one and all here on the Forum, and perhaps elsewhere.  And your defence of him is to be admired.  Heck, I could use a friend like you. 

[Kintamayama 45,503]

21 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

Kintamayama-sama, your personal feelings about Kimura Konosuke are known to one and all here on the Forum, and perhaps elsewhere.  And your defence of him is to be admired.  Heck, I could use a friend like you. 

Yes, partly, but also partly going with the flow.. 

[Hakuryuho 335]

Tomorrow's gonna be a great day, Shodai v Asanoyama is gonna be an absolute barn burner!!

Can't wait

[Ichimawashi 573]

Before Kimura Konosuke’s first bout last night I commented on the stream that he anticipates the action better than any of the gyoji that follow him, getting into position to establish difficult sight lines that may be needed with incredible speed. He did not disappoint, anticipating before contact at tachiai where the action would go and proving me right.  It took three slow motion replays to even see Tochinoshin’s error in the second match, and even Konosuke could not have gotten to a spot with an easy sight line.  It did, however, happen right in front of the East side judge.

When Will Ferrell scored with his impression of baseball play-by-play veteran Harry Carey, Carey got a reputation as an old has-been.  Baseball writer Bill James wrote that Carey was in fact still at the top of his game, recounting a broadcast in which, upon examination of the tape, Carey yelled “he’s got him!” BEFORE a pitcher even turned to pick off a runner at first.  That’s where we are with Konosuke: he’s much more than a stickler for fair tachiai starts.  In many matches he is more worthy of the iso-camera than the rikishi.

[pricklypomegranate 730]

14 minutes ago, Ichimawashi said:

Before Kimura Konosuke’s first bout last night I commented on the stream that he anticipates the action better than any of the gyoji that follow him, getting into position to establish difficult sight lines that may be needed with incredible speed. He did not disappoint, anticipating before contact at tachiai where the action would go and proving me right.  It took three slow motion replays to even see Tochinoshin’s error in the second match, and even Konosuke could not have gotten to a spot with an easy sight line.  It did, however, happen right in front of the East side judge.

Also think he is a good judge. Debate about whether rikishi should have their fists on the clay or be allowed a standing tachiai is a different matter. Kimura sticks to the rules that have been set out, always bends down to check the footwork and rarely gets in the way of the rikishi (which I have seen many makuuchi gyoji do, and it's one of my pet peeves). Shikimori Inosuke I like less - I feel like his judging is not as decisive as he had many mono-ii this year alone and a couple sashi-chigae since his appointment last year. Admittedly, they were hard matches to judge, but that's kind of the point as a tate-gyoji. I believe we are not going to have a Kimura Shonosuke for a longggg time. 

My favourite after watching old tapes is 35th Kimura Shonosuke - don't recall seeing a single sashi-chigae from him as tate-gyoji. He seems to be well loved by other old timers on this forum as well. 

Edited September 25, 2020 by pricklypomegranate

[RabidJohn 1,854]

I'm an admirer and supporter of Konosuke, too, my attention having been drawn to him by Moti's videos. Making the odd error is an unavoidable part of his job that doesn't need any defence, and he's done nothing else I know of that needs defending. On the contrary, he's really good at his job. I'm a fan rather than a defender.

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Terunofuji's withdrawal after securing his KK makes good sense, and I think it's answered the question of how far he can go with osteo-arthritic knees. I wonder if Takanosho can overtake him for the sanyaku promotion if only one slot becomes available...

[Seiyashi 4,108]

29 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

I'm an admirer and supporter of Konosuke, too, my attention having been drawn to him by Moti's videos. Making the odd error is an unavoidable part of his job that doesn't need any defence, and he's done nothing else I know of that needs defending. On the contrary, he's really good at his job. I'm a fan rather than a defender.

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Terunofuji's withdrawal after securing his KK makes good sense, and I think it's answered the question of how far he can go with osteo-arthritic knees. I wonder if Takanosho can overtake him for the sanyaku promotion if only one slot becomes available...

At the rate Mitakeumi is going, it might not be too much of a stretch for two slots to become available. And Daieisho just needs to lose one more to drop out of sanyaku altogether. But that said, if Terunofuji is going to pull out if no yusho and KK, he's not going to make ozeki at this rate.

[Washuyama 641]

1 hour ago, Amamaniac said:

Wakanosato registered Komosubi 9X and Sekiwake 17X,

Kotonishiki had 34 total (21S/13K) and  Hasegawa had 30 total (21S/9K)

[Amamaniac 2,079]

59 minutes ago, Washuyama said:

2 hours ago, Amamaniac said:

Wakanosato registered Komosubi 9X and Sekiwake 17X,

Kotonishiki had 34 total (21S/13K) and  Hasegawa had 30 total (21S/9K)

I suspected that there would but more examples of perennial junior Sanyaku wrestlers.  Neither Kotonishiki nor Hasegawa ever made it to Ozeki.  

Does the fact that Mitakeumi looks to be wasting another chance at an Ozeki run mean that he will end up like these other guys?  I certainly hope not, but he needs to get a little more serious about his sumo, IMHO.  

But who am I to criticise?  The guy has two Top Division yusho to his name.  Geido only has one.

[robnplunder 976]

6 hours ago, RaeucherLax said:

Dunno, but even if he goes 13-2 this time it's "only" 32 wins over the last three tournaments due to his 8-7 in march. I think the promotion committee will want to see a third strong Basho from him. Just my two cents here. 

But maybe then they might say that he had 45 wins in 4 Basho and that would be fine...

He had 2 jun-yusho prior to his 8-7 in March.  13-2 yusho in this basho may help convince the committee.  But, the next two wins won't be easy.  

[Hakuryuho 335]

2 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

But who am I to criticise?  The guy has two Top Division yusho to his name.  Geido only has one.

Well at least he made the most out of his only win, having a zensho yusho under your belt must certainly be nice :p

[Gospodin 219]

1 hour ago, pricklypomegranate said:

Also think he is a good judge. Debate about whether rikishi should have their fists on the clay or be allowed a standing tachiai is a different matter. Kimura sticks to the rules that have been set out, always bends down to check the footwork and rarely gets in the way of the rikishi (which I have seen many makuuchi gyoji do, and it's one of my pet peeves). Shikimori Inosuke I like less - I feel like his judging is not as decisive as he had many mono-ii this year alone and a couple sashi-chigae since his appointment last year. Admittedly, they were hard matches to judge, but that's kind of the point as a tate-gyoji. I believe we are not going to have a Kimura Shonosuke for a longggg time. 

My favourite after watching old tapes is 35th Kimura Shonosuke - don't recall seeing a single sashi-chigae from him as tate-gyoji. He seems to be well loved by other old timers on this forum as well. 

What else could he have called ? The mono-i decision was also a difficult one, because a possible footprint of Tochinoshin was (once again) obliterated by the falling rikishi. I can´t imagine this one hurts his competency.

Edited September 25, 2020 by Gospodin
edit: inadvertently obliterated, not like somebody...perhaps...did before

[Amamaniac 2,079]

Just now, Hakuryuho said:

5 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

But who am I to criticise?  The guy has two Top Division yusho to his name.  Geido only has one.

Well at least he made the most out of his only win, having a zensho yusho under your belt must certainly be nice :p

Nice burn! 

[robnplunder 976]

8 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

Does the fact that Mitakeumi looks to be wasting another chance at an Ozeki run mean that he will end up like these other guys?  I certainly hope not, but he needs to get a little more serious about his sumo, IMHO.  

That is my opinion as well.  Mitakeumi's inconsistency when it matters could be in his head - a lack of focus. (  It reminds me of my golf game.  I can't keep my focus on all 18 holes.  )

[Gospodin 219]

 

10 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

Nice burn! 

I miss Goeido. Even though he gave up using that idiot kubinage I strangely liked years before going intai.

[Gospodin 219]

5 minutes ago, robnplunder said:

That is my opinion as well.  Mitakeumi's inconsistency when it matters could be in his head - a lack of focus. (  It reminds me of my golf game.  I can't keep my focus on all 18 holes.  )

Perhaps it is time for him to follow Kaio´s path and stop drinking during bashos.

[hakutorizakura 643]

27 minutes ago, Gospodin said:

 

I miss Goeido. Even though he gave up using that idiot kubinage I strangely liked years before going intai.

Why idiot? Cool move, I think.

[Gospodin 219]

1 minute ago, hakutorizakura said:

Why idiot? Cool move, I think.

More of a bold move, imo. Compared with other techniques it is quite easy to counter.

[dazunoyama 2]

Loving that Asanoyama has had 10 wins in a row after 0-3. It will be a truly epic win if he can pull it off. 

[Jakusotsu 6,047]

3 minutes ago, dazunoyama said:

Loving that Asanoyama has had 10 wins in a row after 0-3. It will be a truly epic win if he can pull it off. 

Truly indeed. As mentioned before, not even a 0-2 was good for a yusho before in the 15-bouts era.

[Kintamayama 45,503]

When was the last time we had no yusho playoffs in any of the lower divisions?

[Jakusotsu 6,047]

9 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

When was the last time we had no yusho playoffs in any of the lower divisions?

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query_bout.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=basho&g_op==&having=0&ms=on&sd=on&jd=on&jk=on&yd1=on

Edit: Incidentally, two of those winners of yore are still in contention for the Makunouchi Yusho this basho.

Edited September 25, 2020 by Jakusotsu

[Kotomiyama 174]

Tomorrow's Shodai vs Asanoyama is going to be really nice... while I get Tobizaru's bandwagon on the route.

[Kaninoyama 1,818]

8 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

I think you are letting your personal feelings about him get in the way of the truth, which is that he is loved by one and all, except some and few. I am obviously not new around here and haven't seen  a lot of  people dissing him, not something that falls under the "polarized' category. Not even close.

I'm not going to allow myself to get dragged into another Kimura Konosuke debate. It is as you say. 

I will say that he seems to have mellowed out over the past year or so, and that's all I ever really wanted from him.