Asanoyama's COVID violation suspension and comeback

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

17 minutes ago, Nantonoyama said:

What is unclear to me is: did he break any laws? Or did he "only" violate NSK guidelines?

He didn't break any laws, he "only" violated NSK decrees, but first and foremost: he lied into his superior's face, and that's the sword in his belly.

[CT3* 331]

3 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Definitely. Oosunaarashi was ultimately kicked out for lying, not for his transgression.

That was my first thought as well. But Boody also lied to the POLICE and not just his oyataka. Do you think that will make any difference?

 

[Seiyashi 4,108]

8 minutes ago, CT3* said:

3 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Definitely. Oosunaarashi was ultimately kicked out for lying, not for his transgression.

That was my first thought as well. But Boody also lied to the POLICE and not just his oyataka. Do you think that will make any difference?

If there is any, it will be cancelled out by the fact that Asanoyama is an ozeki and expected to live up to a higher standard than the rest of the rikishi.

[Ganzohnesushi 526]

If only these guys (Abi, Asanoyama, et al.) were using their brain. How can you expect going out and not being recognized as a prominent Sumo wrestler? And that sooner or later this message will be forwarded to the Kyokai and/or the Oyakata?

Ganzohnesushi

[Churaumi 745]

Yes. I foresee Asanoyama sitting through a very long suspension, but not getting hit with the banhammer. Oosunaarashi broke NSK rules and then committed a crime by lying to the cops. Asanoyama broke NSK rules but no laws were broken. They'll take his rank, might reduce his pay by some percentage, and he'll sit out a good long while. But, I think he'll step on the dohyo again if he's willing to take his lumps. 

Takakeisho will become the next Japanese prayer for a yokozuna, Shodai will continue to limp his ozeki career along one more basho, and we'll all learn what the Kyokai does with an ozeki that screws up this badly. 

Edited May 19, 2021 by Churaumi
I was responding to CT3*

[Rocks 1,809]

So is Asanoyama out of this basho for sure?

[Athenayama 1,080]

10 minutes ago, Rocks said:

So is Asanoyama out of this basho for sure?

Fantasy sumo game player talk. 

[Churaumi 745]

It's been reported in the media but not made official, apparently.

[Ichimawashi 573]

Good thing Asanoyama-Takayasu was not the ISP match today.

With Abi about to graduate back to sekitori, we'll need a new reason to keep an eye on Makushita.

[Koorifuu 1,020]

For reference, 3 basho out would likely leave him in mid/upper juryo.

1) kadoban fail

2) 0 wins at ozekiwake

3) 0 wins at lower maegashira

[Thorbjarn 215]

I'm part of the wait and see approach crowd. I don't want it to happen, but I can absolutely see intai. 

All three Covid19-protocol-violaters I really like, but goddammit, this is so stupid. 

[Swami 245]

2 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

For reference, 3 basho out would likely leave him in mid/upper juryo.

1) kadoban fail

2) 0 wins at ozekiwake

3) 0 wins at lower maegashira

With competition so fluid at the moment, if that situation does indeed materialize, he could potentially be back in sanyaku inside a year if all goes well.  If anything good can come of this, it may perhaps spur him to greater levels since his ozeki promotion, where he does seem to have plateaued somewhat.  

But as others have said, potential punishment could be much worse, depending on further confirmation over the next day, I guess.  Had he admitted to the breach straightaway, he might have been afforded a bit of slack.  Surely his oyakata will also be in trouble, perhaps facing some kind of demotion etc?

 

Swami

 

 

 

[Koorifuu 1,020]

10 minutes ago, Swami said:

Surely his oyakata will also be in trouble, perhaps facing some kind of demotion etc?

Swami

This is, unfortunately, something that I think will never change. Oyakata will always get hit on the side for failing to instruct their deshi on how to be perfect human beings.

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

2 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

Oyakata will always get hit on the side for failing to instruct their deshi on how to be perfect human beings.

Any how many of them are even trying?

[Asashosakari 19,653]

5 hours ago, Tsuchinoninjin said:

edit: Also I just wanted to add that the whole nihonjin thing is a two-way street. There's a lot of things that foreigners get a free pass on that Japanese are expected to adhere to.

Kotomitsuki comes to mind here, and he was even partly a victim in that whole ordeal, getting extorted for his gambling habits by people with alleged yakuza connections. I suspect a foreign rikishi who finds himself tangled up with the yakuza in such a way might be getting off more lightly, but Japanese public figures are all conditioned to know that that's an absolute no-no, and Kotomitsuki paid the price for it.

[Asashosakari 19,653]

1 hour ago, Koorifuu said:

This is, unfortunately, something that I think will never change. Oyakata will always get hit on the side for failing to instruct their deshi on how to be perfect human beings.

The fact that Asanoyama apparently still lives at the stable isn't going to help Takasago here. My gut feeling is that the shisho tend to be cut a little more slack when it comes to sekitori transgressing who live off-site. (Not enough to avoid punishment altogether, of course.)

[sumojoann 1,268]

Is it certain that Asanoyama is actually still LIVING at the heya??  How could this have happened under those circumstances without anyone noticing?  Previously, it was reported that the hostess bar in question wasn't even closing until 1:00 AM but Asanoyama was leaving much later.  Would it have been that easy to sneak back into the heya at that hour?  If so, wow, what lax rules they must have!  Wouldn't his Oyakata have noticed his absence?  I know he would have his own room but he certainly would have to come in the front or back door when he returned in the middle of the night!!  If his Oyakata "knew" but chose to avert his eyes, then he deserves full punishment for neglect of his duties.  One thing I don't understand is why his Oyakata accepted Asanoyama's lie yesterday when he HAD to have had some knowledge of the truth already.

As others have mentioned, it's the lying that's going to be Asanoyama's downfall.  It's gonna bite him in his a$$. 

Edited May 19, 2021 by sumojoann

[Kamitsuumi 402]

22 minutes ago, sumojoann said:

Is it certain that Asanoyama is actually still LIVING at the heya??  How could this have happened under those circumstances without anyone noticing?

Well someone did notice, obviously. Bunshun has a (very blurry) photo of him arriving at the heya at four in the morning: https://bunshun.jp/articles/photo/45540?pn=3

[supplex55 5]

When can we expect a decision from the JSA?  Next week (after the Basho)?

[Asashosakari 19,653]

6 minutes ago, supplex55 said:

When can we expect a decision from the JSA?  Next week (after the Basho)?

Impossible to predict, IMHO, depends too much on whether what's known now is actually the full extent of Asanoyama's issues, or if more is coming. And they might want to deal with both him and Ryuden at the same time, which may further impact on how fast they can move.

(Asanoyama might end up speeding up the process by falling on his sword anyway...)

Edited May 19, 2021 by Asashosakari

[yorikiried by fate 2,029]

He should have done the full Trump by saying: "I didn't go to a nightclub. YOU ALL went to a nightclub. Maybe it was a little gas station, although I don't drive. But maybe YOU do. There might be photos. I hear they are excellent photos...we will see."

Followed up by blaming one of the foreigners for doing something or other.

 

Edited May 19, 2021 by yorikiried by fate

[apraxin 56]

Is it possible any lower-rankers might be caught up in this as well? The Bunshun article says Asanoyama was 'accompanied by two men' when he visited the establishment. They don't give any more details on them, but my understanding was that they don't usually name and shame non-sekitori.

[Churaumi 745]

The torikumi start in a few minutes, still no formal kyujo announcement I can find...the tension is killing me.

[Rocks 1,809]

2 hours ago, sumojoann said:

As others have mentioned, it's the lying that's going to be Asanoyama's downfall.  It's gonna bite him in his a$$. 

 

[since_94 650]

30 minutes ago, Rocks said:

 

Hey girl...