Kyushu 2021 discussion

[Seiyashi 4,072]

And Hoshoryu needs to watch the replays of all the hapless relative lightweights who've gone and morozashi-ed Terunofuji.

[RabidJohn 1,724]

1 hour ago, Seiyashi said:

And Hoshoryu needs to watch the replays of all the hapless relative lightweights who've gone and morozashi-ed Terunofuji.

 

[dingo 1,212]

13 hours ago, Katooshu said:

Nor does it take much effort, if any, to understand who is being referred to by those shortened terms - the other content in the post, or the posts around it, almost always make it clear if it wasn't obvious immediately. Even the poster calling for clarity said he already knew that it was Takakeisho being discussed. Just doesn't seem gripe worthy to me.

May Teru, Taka, and WTK live on! As the likes of Kise, Hak, and Giku (or the Geek) did before them......

This is getting offtopic but in that case why do we bother at all with punctuation, capitalization, spelling out other words and so on? Maybe it's just the grammar nazi in me. Different things for different people. 

[RabidJohn 1,724]

1 hour ago, Eikokurai said:

Well, this is proving to be a rubbish day for the yusho race. Mitakeumi and Takakeisho both defeated. Terunofuji’s to lose now.

Considering that all Terunofuji's yusho are 12-3/13-2 and he's only managed 14-1 once, the race isn't over yet. Anyway, the yusho being the yokozuna's to lose is how it should be. 
I'd be very happy to see TNF (light blue touchpaper...) get a zensho.

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Watching the unexpectedly entertaining bout between Hidenoumi and Kagayaki reminded me of the mathematical rule: negative x negative = positive.

[AnOzekisFish 16]

Loved that leg sweep by Chiyoshouma, highlight of the day for me. He set it up so well and then nailed it.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

54 minutes ago, dingo said:

This is getting offtopic but in that case why do we bother at all with punctuation, capitalization, spelling out other words and so on? Maybe it's just the grammar nazi in me. Different things for different people. 

Surely you meant ‘Nazi’ with a capital ‘N’?

[Naganoyama 5,881]

I prefer shikona to be fully spelt out but I agree that it is usually possible from context to understand who's being talked about.

The only one that I repeatedly struggle with is TKO. TKS or even TK would be just fine.

[dingo 1,212]

1 hour ago, Eikokurai said:

Surely you meant ‘Nazi’ with a capital ‘N’?

Don't call me Shirley! 

[rokudenashi 297]

3 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

And Hoshoryu needs to watch the replays of all the hapless relative lightweights who've gone and morozashi-ed Terunofuji.

He practically presented his arms and said "here, wrench them off"...

Anyway, very Shōdai rashii Shōdai performance today, at least he was able to pull off the win, unlike Mitakeumi, who is headed for an 8-7.

Takakeishō could not handle the Meisei bum rush. The dives off the dohyo he took on days 8 and 9 can't have helped. If you're an oshi specialist facing Takakeishō in the latter half of the tournament, making him chase you around for a bit first seems to be a good tactic, since by that point he is sucking wind and less able to receive attacks properly

[Amamaniac 2,078]

11 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

11 hours ago, I am the Yokozuna said:

Really interesting tournament with some interesting developments. Sumo-wise, Kyushu was never some great place. I always think of the dohyo there as very slippery. What really caught my eye was the quarter finals yesterdays, probably the semifinals tomorrow and the final on Friday in the Makushita yusho race. It is really tough - while in Makuuchi or Juryo you could have a day off and possibly relay on someone to give you a second chance, below every bout is a final, no second chances. 

Really like the comeback of Tomokaze. If he reached Juryo, it would be a miracle after his horrific injury. However, no signs of his explosive oshi style that took him to Makuuchi, so I do not know what to expect of him. 

It's a common enough trope that some promising up and comer suffers injury and has to adapt his style accordingly, but he grows as a rikishi as a result. Chiyonofuji was probably the best example of this.

My vote for "best example" is Terunofuji.

iirc, Chiyonofuji's multiple dislocations did not result in a major style adaptation, but rather in an intensive exercise regime to bolster his shoulder strength... He was still using plenty of uwatenage in the latter part of his career.

While we're on the subject, Tomokaze seems to have recovered from his "knee" injury, so well so that he doesn't seem to require the iron knee brace that the likes of Terunofuji, Aminishiki, and Tochinoshin (even young gun Kotonowaka) rely/relied on.  What is troubling is the black ankle support he is sporting these days.  Is that from an injury he picked up in the lower ranks?  And you never know if the injuries occur in competition or in the training ring...

Edited November 23, 2021 by Amamaniac

[Amamaniac 2,078]

22 hours ago, rokudenashi said:

Irrespective of division, the frontrunner I'm pulling for most is Ōhō. He has looked incredibly composed so far, and is doing a bang-up job of setting himself up as a key top-division prospect in 2022. Nevertheless, Ichiyamamoto should give him some trouble.

Totally agree with your view on todays bout.  Ichiyamamoto executed perfect oshizumo and Oho tried his best to deflect the thrusts, but it was too late.  Ichiyamamoto's attack was quick and efficient with perfect delivery of his thrusts (centre mass and high).

I was really rooting for Oho (mind you I like Ichiyamamoto, especially in the interviews he gives on Abema TV).  A zensho yusho in Juryo would have been a great way to end the year.  

While I can't confirm this, I read in a chatroom that there have only been five occasions with a zensho yusho in the Juryo Division.  If Oho had accomplished that feat, it would have been amazing at many levels.  Oh well.  I guess we'll have to leave the zensho yusho getting to Terunofuji (the unsalaried divisions don't count IMO).

[Jakusotsu 5,876]

3 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

While I can't confirm this, I read in a chatroom that there have only been five occasions with a zensho yusho in the Juryo Division.

Only true for the 15-days era, but yeah:
http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&columns=1&n_basho=1&form1_losses=0&form1_y=on&form1_j=on

[Sue 494]

In less bright news, stick a fork in Shohozan. Perhaps Santa might bring him a snazzy blue jacket?

[Benevolance 2,484]

Shohozan looks like a man whose spirit is willing, but his body won't keep up. 

[hakutorizakura 609]

14 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

Hey, if the Japanese have no problem abbreviating shikona when they coin names for eras, it's good enough for us. AkeTaka (Akebono-Takanohana), TochiWaka (Tochinishiki-Wakanohana), KitaTama (Kitanoumi-Tamanoumi) ...

I'm seriously wondering if they still call the Kashiwado-Taiho era as the HakuHo era (not referring to the Hak). And what will they call the era of Asashoryu-Hakuho?

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashiwado_Tsuyoshi?wprov=sfla1

 

13 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

I have only one gripe with respect to abbreviations: why is Takakeisho TKO and not TKS? 

Technical Knock-Out, as in boxing. Sorry for all the people confused, again it's a pet name in my case and not an abbreviation of his shikona 

Edited November 23, 2021 by hakutorizakura

[hakutorizakura 609]

Aaand if we're still interested in talking about shikona abbreviations, I recommend visiting this thread. Great fun!

On 14/03/2021 at 07:12, Ichimawashi said:

1. Grab a list of all 70 shikona from the current (March 2021) banzuke, Makuuchi and Juryo.  Remove all other info and place into a text file.
2. Capitalize everything.
3. Either:
 . . . 3a. Remove all the vowels, or
 . . . 3b. Remove all the consonants
4. Alphabetize what remains.
5. Now see if you can restore the original lists.

Good luck! 
(Apologies to those who prefer the longer version of Anglification (Hakuhou instead of Hakuho), sumodb has the shorter and this is what I am using.  Y is always a consonant for the purpose of simplicity, although it might have been easier the other way!)

Here is the no-vowels version:

BSHZN
CHNJ
CHRNM
CHYMMT
CHYMR
CHYN
CHYNKN
CHYNM
CHYSHM
CHYTR
CHYTRY
DMM
DSH
DSHMR
HDNM
HKH
HKTFJ
HKYZN
HSHRY
JKRY
K
KGYK
KKRY
KNM
KRBYM
KS
KSYM
KTK
KTNWK
KTSHH
KYKSHH
KYKTS
MDRFJ
MS
MTKM
MTRY
MYGRY
ND
NH
NSH
NSHKFJ
NSHKG
R
RYDN
SDNM
SHD
SHHZN
SHMNM
SHR
SNYM
TBZR
TCHNSHN
THKRY
TKGNJ
TKKNT
TKKSH
TKNSH
TKRFJ
TKSHRY
TKYS
TMWSH
TRNFJ
TRTSYSH
TSRGSH
WKMTHR
WKTKKG
YG
YM
YTKYM
ZMRY
 

The no-consonants version has several duplicates and is a step up in difficulty:

AAAAAE
AAAI (2)
AAAU
AAAUI
AAEI
AAEIO
AAEO
AAOAA
AAOO
AAOOAU
AAOUI
AIAAI
AIEAA
AIEI
AIEIO
AIOAU
AO
AOIAA
AUA
AUAU
AUO
AUOA
AUU
EIEI
EO (2)
EUOUI
EUUOI
IAEUI
IAOUI
IEOUI
IIAAA
IIAAOO
IIII
IIIUI
IIOO
IIUA
IOAIU
IOAU
IOIUI
IOOA
IOOO
IOOOI
IOOUI (2)
IOU
OAI
OAUU
OIAU
OIOI
OIOUI
OIU
OOA
OOEO
OOO
OOOAA
OOOO
OOU (2)
OUAIEI
OUOU
OUOUI
OUUO
UA
UAAAA
UAOUI
UE
UOA
UUIO
 

 

[Benevolance 2,484]

1 hour ago, hakutorizakura said:

I'm seriously wondering if they still call the Kashiwado-Taiho era as the HakuHo era (not referring to the Hak). And what will they call the era of Asashoryu-Hakuho?

I suspect it'll be the AshHo era. 

[Yamanashi 3,779]

11 minutes ago, Benevolance said:

I suspect it'll be the AshHo era. 

You remembered to pay @hakutorizakura that five-spot for the set-up line, right?

[rokudenashi 297]

Ōshōumi and Ōtsuji really went for it today, favourite match of the day despite the repeated clashing of heads. Pulling for an Ōshōumi KK.

Ishizaki also keeps his KK hopes alive, outmuscling the unpolished bruiser Ten'nōzan to reach 2-3.

Atamifuji is my personal #1 makushita prospect. Great frame, wrestles beyond his years, and today, calmly dispatched of jōi mainstay Tochimaru. Only 19 too. Say he wins his next 2 and finishes 6-1 from 14w, the promotion battle in Hatsu becomes very interesting.

Fujiseiun, while undoubtedly very skilled, could do with a few more tournaments at this level. Tsukahara showed the extra few tournaments' experience he has by manoeuvring the smaller man down to the clay.

Ōshōma vs Kan'no was a bit of a disappointment, but sure it won't be the last time we see them face one another.

I am beginning to see Shishi more as the next Aoiyama than the next Baruto. He does ugly, nasty sumo (I mean that positively). Today was no different.

[bettega 431]

3 hours ago, Benevolance said:

Shohozan looks like a man whose spirit is willing, but his body won't keep up. 

Somewhat like Kaisei - in a discussion group here in Brazil I stated the same. The gentle giant is nearing intai

[bettega 431]

1 hour ago, Benevolance said:

I suspect it'll be the AshHo era. 

God bless you!

[Reonito 1,384]

3 hours ago, rokudenashi said:

Ōshōma vs Kan'no was a bit of a disappointment

Ōshōma seems to be a bit of a hatakikomi artist...

[Treblemaker 254]

So, I may not have been around for a few years. Did I miss anything interesting?  (Kidding kidding.... ) Good basho so far. 

[Treblemaker 254]

Fill me in on Ichinojo. More injury issues? 

[Katooshu 3,182]

1 hour ago, Reonito said:

Ōshōma seems to be a bit of a hatakikomi artist...

Yep, that's his main move, and even when he wins by yorikiri or okurdashi it's often because he's set it up with a pulldown. He was a high school national champion in freestyle wrestling before starting sumo, and his stance and general way of moving really shows that background - almost always looking for the head to head situation like the one below, where the opponent is leaning down. That said, he is okay (if slightly awkward) in straight up yotsu sumo as well when he needs to be, though it hasn't been apparent so far.

His sumo is definitely not what I'd call conventional.

Edited November 24, 2021 by Katooshu