Kyushu 2021 discussion

[RabidJohn 1,793]

I don't know his name, but the gyoji officiating the Kotoeko and Tobizaru bouts really caught my eye again with that white on red top/red on white bottom garment he wore. I don't recall seeing a gyoji in anything quite like that before.

2 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Asashoryu with wife were still amused watching the nephew lose...

His missus? I was going to comment on him turning up with a Wiggy-Man-style 'niece'!

2 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

The celebration Ura did after his win would have caused a scandal if Hakuho had done it.

It was a great win, but then my smile changed to a disapproving face... If he wants to celebrate like that he should go play football.

[Yokozuna Hattorizakura 153]

Another huge rematch gap. Last time Chiyoarashi & Kyokutaisei fought was May 2012.

[Morty 1,495]

47 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

It was a great win, but then my smile changed to a disapproving face... If he wants to celebrate like that he should go play football.

I think he did it by accident and then caught himself doing it and quickly put his arms down. But he did just beat his opponent while having his back to him and in the motion of essentially running away, which he turned into (somehow) a nice throw. I'd be pretty happy with myself too if I managed that

[Gurowake 4,087]

With Takakeisho vs. Abi Day 13 putting one of them on 12 wins and each of those two likely facing Terunofuji the last two days, the top score should be no less than 13 wins, which puts all the 9-3s out of contention for the Yusho, which means there's little point in putting Abi against Mitakeumi when they can instead do a somewhat normal-looking day 15, just with Terunofuji facing an Ozeki who isn't the highest ranked, which is totally normal when there's only one Yokozuna. 

Edited November 25, 2021 by Gurowake

[Eikokurai 3,437]

7 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

each of those two likely facing Terunofuji the last two days,

If Abi loses to Takakeisho to fall two wins behind (assuming Terunofuji wins), he won’t face Terunofuji. He’s so far down the banzuke they’re not going to hand him a chance to beat the Yokozuna and close the gap on him to one again going into the last day.

[Gurowake 4,087]

1 minute ago, Eikokurai said:

If Abi loses to Takakeisho to fall two wins behind (assuming Terunofuji wins), he won’t face Terunofuji. He’s so far down the banzuke they’re not going to hand him a chance to beat the Yokozuna and close the gap on him to one again going into the last day.

Are they in the habit of waiting to do the Day 14 matches after Day 13's action?  I suppose this would be a case where they might do it.  However, the main point of what I was getting at was that 13 wins is definitely going to be the minimum winning score, and that doesn't need Terunofuji vs. Abi if Abi loses to Takakeisho.

[Akinomaki 40,601]

2 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

His missus? I was going to comment on him turning up with a Wiggy-Man-style 'niece'!

read the Asashoryu thread and you know how she looks without the mask

On 16/07/2020 at 08:31, Akinomaki said:

Asashoryu today announced on Twitter the decision to marry

He had married a classmate in 2002, has a son and a daughter, and got divorced in 2009. http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2020/07/16/kiji/20200716s00005000240000c.html

[nagora 88]

1 hour ago, Gurowake said:

With Takakeisho vs. Abi Day 13 putting one of them on 12 wins and each of those two likely facing Terunofuji the last two days, the top score should be no less than 13 wins, which puts all the 9-3s out of contention for the Yusho, which means there's little point in putting Abi against Mitakeumi when they can instead do a somewhat normal-looking day 15, just with Terunofuji facing an Ozeki who isn't the highest ranked, which is totally normal when there's only one Yokozuna. 

Whoever wins will face Terunofuji on day 14, and Shodai will face him on 15 as expected. Either Abi or Takakeisho will not face Terunofuji unless the latter loses and we end up with a play-off, I think.

Edited November 25, 2021 by nagora

[AnOzekisFish 16]

Random impressions from today:

Takayasu is a sad sight, it feels like watching a mere shade of his past self. Is there any chance of him ever getting back into Ozeki contention?

Abi looked great today, glad he's back around at the top level.

Ura's celebration made me smile. There seemed to be a moment after he'd raised one arm where he considered putting it back down, but then he just went for it. Having him and Abi around adds a dash of excitement to each day, for me anyway.

Terunofuji is really embodying being a Yokozuna. He seems to be fighting on a different level to anyone else, it's great to watch and a zen yusho looks pretty likely.

[Hakuryuho 335]

Abi v Takakeisho tomorrow only has two outcomes:

 

Either Takakeisho blasts Abi out of the ring almost immediately by oshidashi or Abi slaps Takakeisho down and wins by hatakikomi (what I think will happen).

[hakutorizakura 629]

I think Ura was trying to mimic Hokutofuji with his basketball shot-like follow through, but with a different style 

I'm wondering if The Nephew is getting some love treatment from his uncle backstage 

[Katooshu 3,246]

Taka-K vs Abi, can't wait! Ya sumo!!! 

[Rocks 1,809]

I don't think the outcome of Takakeisho/Abi matters to scheduling.  Takakeisho will face Terunofuji on Day 14 and Shoday Day 15.  If Abi is getting anywhere near the Yusho he'll need Mitekeumi, Takakeisho or Shodai to get him there. 

[Jakusotsu 5,981]

My take: Terunofuji - Abi on day 14, Terunofuji  - Takakeisho on Senshuraku.

[Seiyashi 4,097]

2 hours ago, AnOzekisFish said:

Takayasu is a sad sight, it feels like watching a mere shade of his past self. Is there any chance of him ever getting back into Ozeki contention?

For some reason Takayasu is terribly inconsistent in terms of his sumo style nowadays (i.e. after his fall from ozeki). Quite unlike any other rikishi, Takayasu is capable of operating in two modes: a berserker-style oshi attack a la Shohozan or Chiyonokuni, and a more measured, yotsu style that shows heavy traces of Kisenosato's own style, which on paper should give him a really good advantage against all comers. That said, his yotsu style is stronger in terms of results, as it allows him to set up heavy matches of endurance which very few rikishi can win, and he is so strong with it that his return to ozeki was actually a somewhat realistic prospect when he returned to sanyaku since his demotion.

Unfortunately, he also suffers from a few disadvantages:

• His bouts are by far the longest in the upper division, which means he can run out of steam towards the end of a basho.
• He's also carrying several injuries which thankfully don't show as much as you would expect them to, relative to other rikishi.
• He's never had yusho experience, and he has a tendency to choke in the home stretch of a yusho race. He had a golden opportunity to claim his first yusho last year (?) and absolutely blew it, gaining a very dubious honour of being the first person to clock 10 wins straight and be 2 ahead by day 10 and still not get the yusho (numbers may be a bit off, but I'm talking about the stat where only 25 people have gotten an X-win lead by Y day and all of them have won the yusho except Hakuho, and only because he withdrew from injury on day 14).
• But perhaps most infuriatingly of all, he has a tendency to switch styles precisely when he's doing well with one of them. Most of the time, he'll look invincible with the yotsu style, then visibly go to bad habits with the oshi style which includes a "nice large" shoulder blast off the tachi-ai, which leaves him susceptible to henkas, slap downs, or being unbalanced in multiple ways and outmaneuvred.

Edited November 25, 2021 by Seiyashi

[Thorbjarn 215]

The leading trio looked great. Is there some heat between Takakeisho and Takayasu?

I can't wait to hear what Ura has to say about his dance. 

Enho kachi koshi is a good thing. 

[Reonito 1,469]

2 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

But perhaps most infuriatingly of all, he has a tendency to switch styles precisely when he's doing well with one of them.

And also, not picking the style most advantageous against the day's opponent, today being a prime example.

[since_94 650]

Would also like to know what Takakeisho said to Takayasu. Maybe “You like that?” or something similar. He didn’t like the harite, that’s for sure. Be surprised of no one spoke to him about his little outburst,  perhaps his Oyakata. 

Love Ura, but that arm raising should remain  down in collegiate sumo. Unbecoming, however endearing some might find such displays.

[Katooshu 3,246]

I couldn't tell if he was nodding in respect, or pissed off at Takayasu. Maybe both!

[Jakusotsu 5,981]

9 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

My take: Terunofuji - Abi on day 14, Terunofuji  - Takakeisho on Senshuraku.

Bingo!

[WAKATAKE 2,660]

9 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Bingo!

It is a 3 man race at this point, so they might as well

[Gurowake 4,087]

11 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Bingo!

Well, they did decide to do Shodai-Takakeisho, which is interesting as the match that they seemed to skip Day 13.  Thus they can still do Terunofuji against either Ozeki and have Mitakeumi vs. the other to have a full real sanyaku soroibumi.  So I'd only say for sure you're half right as of now.  There's no clear-cut evidence besides, you know, it making more sense to put two people in the Yusho race against each other, that they'll do Terunofuji-Takakeisho.  If Takakeisho is out of the Yusho race when they make the Day 15 pairings, they might as well put the Yokozuna against Shodai.

[Katooshu 3,246]

Sandanme yusho: foriegn collegiate rikishi version

Arauma (Mongolia) vs Kinbozan (Kazakhstan) - match starts at 1:24

 

Edited November 26, 2021 by Katooshu

[Jakusotsu 5,981]

10 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

If Takakeisho is out of the Yusho race when they make the Day 15 pairings, they might as well put the Yokozuna against Shodai.

Agreed.

[jsolo 106]

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