Hatsu 2022 discussions (results)

[rhyen 1,846]

1 hour ago, hakutorizakura said:

Holy smokes... you meisei I'm a dreamer...

 

Is Liu Kang there as well? Please say hi. *wrong franchise*

http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/34752-sumo-anime-and-manga/?do=findComment&comment=460391

[Seiyashi 4,108]

18 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

3 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

So M v A is the Schrodinger bout tomorrow. Too many possibilities are up in the air before then. Once that bout is decided, the schedules for day 14 will almost certainly crystallise. 

Problem is: the day 14 schedule will be announced long before Schroedinger looks in the box.

Hm. I must have misremembered when they delay bouts for - only day 15 then, right?

In which case, at least based on a quick query, I'm coming round to the idea of Abi v Terunofuji.

[maglor 122]

If Abi does go on to win the yusho, or even if he doesn't, will the NSK re-consider what they do with suspended rikishi? I've never quite liked that someone outside the sanyaku/joi can win the Cup - after all if you go 12-0 in juryo you're not invited to face a few sanyaku and compete for the Cup. But at least before if a rikishi was genuinely at M12 or whatever and made a run good for them. I have nothing against Abi, but he's a joi/sanyaku level guy who's only competing at this rank because of suspension. If anything, he's showing how high the gap is between guys at the very top and the middle maegashira. And Asanoyama is better than Abi. If Asanoyama comes back at M17 and gets a traditional set of opponents, he has a huge chance of winning the yusho, which seems besides the point. If Asanoyama starts off winning,  I would hope they just start pairing him against every sanyaku rikishi. Maybe even earlier. And then if he goes 10-5 from M17 you can just overpromote him to M8 or something in recognition of the harder schedule.

 

(This isn't to shit on Abi's run, he's been very impressive in his matches against the top guys so far. But facing all 7 Sanyaku + the upper Maegashira is very different to facing 10-11 lower Maegashira and then 4/5 matches at the top.)

[Sue 520]

34 minutes ago, maglor said:

If Abi does go on to win the yusho, or even if he doesn't, will the NSK re-consider what they do with suspended rikishi? I've never quite liked that someone outside the sanyaku/joi can win the Cup - after all if you go 12-0 in juryo you're not invited to face a few sanyaku and compete for the Cup.

Sanyaku and the joi are not a separate division. And a contender from farther down in the division will be matched up with the top sanyaku folks later on, and won't win without defeating them. Stage-managing the outcome to force it onto one of the top people would be a terrible move. (By comparison, look at how rarely the Makushita yusho goes to someone from the promotion zone.)

[Gurowake 4,108]

I bet the banzuke committee are ruing their decision to not promote Abi high enough to face all the sanyaku.  If it was for "punishment", they had the exact wrong idea.

[Kintamayama 45,530]

6 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Abi has also beaten Mitakeumi, because no one can then catch him other than possibly a 11-2 Kotonowaka,

Kotonowaka is 9-3. He can't be 11-2 even if he really tries hard.

[Koorifuu 1,020]

8 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Terunofuji just made it really easy to make that a 13-2 J. 

May I ask whether you meant a 12-3 J, 13-2 Y or a 13-2 D?

This might be one of my massive gaps in ozumo knowledge, but it looks like a 13-2 J isn't possible anymore as everyone's already lost at least two bouts.

[Seiyashi 4,108]

18 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Kotonowaka is 9-3. He can't be 11-2 even if he really tries hard.

Good point. If Abi does go up against both Mitakeumi and Terunofuji and beat them, the title is his unless he has a last day collapse (to who? I don't think anyone is left that wouldn't be effectively securing the yusho for Abi with a senshuraku win. If Abi loses on senshuraku the winner of Terunofuji v Mitakeumi still at least can bring him to a playoff with a final day win as well.)

13 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

May I ask whether you meant a 12-3 J, 13-2 Y or a 13-2 D?

This might be one of my massive gaps in ozumo knowledge, but it looks like a 13-2 J isn't possible anymore as everyone's already lost at least two bouts.

Unfortunately I'm tired enough that I can't remember what I was thinking when I wrote them. I might have typoed and meant 12-3 J instead, since as you rightly pointed out the yusho score is no better than 13-2 and 12-3 will almost certainly be JY if no playoff results. So Mitakeumi can still lose one more and still have a yusho honour, but a 12-3 J with all losses in the home stretch simply doesn't look good for his ozeki run.

I sincerely apologise for these errors and promise not to disgrace my forum rank of yokozuna in future 

Edited January 20, 2022 by Seiyashi

[Thorbjarn 215]

Mitakeumi's loss didn't look good and I was feeling a little down, then Abi and Meisei lifted up my spirits. Which then dropped a bit when the Yokozuna looked injured. 

Aside from Mitakeumi's loss today, this is still the furthest he has come on an actual Ozeki run in my estimation. I now hope he piles on two more wins. 

[Akinomaki 40,801]

To revive the talk from last basho about shikona abbreviations, I just noticed that Terunofuji was called Terufu 照富 in a headline (and anywhere shikona have to be cut down to 2 kanji characters, like a torikumi list). The u is usually silent in Japanese, so I will from now on call him Terf, a good followup to Hak.

[Sue 520]

49 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

To revive the talk from last basho about shikona abbreviations, I just noticed that Terunofuji was called Terufu 照富 in a headline (and anywhere shikona have to be cut down to 2 kanji characters, like a torikumi list). The u is usually silent in Japanese, so I will from now on call him Terf, a good followup to Hak.

TERFs can all go to hell, and there's no evidence anywhere that Terunofuji is a TERF.

[Reonito 1,522]

4 hours ago, maglor said:

If Asanoyama comes back at M17 and gets a traditional set of opponents, he has a huge chance of winning the yusho, which seems besides the point. If Asanoyama starts off winning,  I would hope they just start pairing him against every sanyaku rikishi. Maybe even earlier.

It's not like we don't have a recent precedent for what to do in this situation.

[Yamanashi 3,904]

3 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

I sincerely apologise for these errors and promise not to disgrace my forum rank of yokozuna in future 

Don't give it a single thought, buddy.  You finally lost a post after >400 as a Yokozuna.  Who else can beat that?

[Akinomaki 40,801]

2 hours ago, Sue said:

TERFs can all go to hell, and there's no evidence anywhere that Terunofuji is a TERF.

Ah, I thought that thing might have some meaning somewhere. Since he is male, he can't be a TERF of that kind you pointed me to. Not a TERF anyway, he is THE Ter(u)f(u)

(I had rather expected a TERF being something like a smurf)

Edited January 20, 2022 by Akinomaki

[Sue 520]

50 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Ah, I thought that thing might have some meaning somewhere. Since he is male, he can't be a TERF of that kind you pointed me to. Not a TERF anyway, he is THE Ter(u)f(u)

Men can absolutely be feminists. Everyone should absolutely not be a TERF. 

...and that's as far as we really ought to go on the subject. Back to sumo?

Edited January 20, 2022 by Sue

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,276]

Maybe someone can follow up the song Axel-F with one called Teru-F

[Yamanashi 3,904]

1 hour ago, Sue said:

Men can absolutely be feminists. Everyone should absolutely not be a TERF. 

...and that's as far as we really ought to go on the subject. Back to sumo?

It makes me less nervous to find out there's no rikishi in the db with the shikona "Milofuji".

[Rocks 1,809]

Abi - Terunofuji Day 14. Probably Mitakeumi - Terunofuji Day 15. So if any of these 3 beats the other 2 it's their Yusho. Anything else, playoff. 

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

Very happy to see Nishikawa curing the Makushita yusho from Covid.

[Tigerboy1966 1,474]

Maybe other folk have been following Nishikawa more closely than me, but that was my upset of the basho. I was convinced that Ryuden was cantering to back to back makushita yusho.

[jsolo 106]

January (Hatsu) 2022 Basho--DAY 12 Links and Statistics Blog--videos, photos, match articles, quotes, results and standings, kimarite statistics, time of match statistics, top rank performance, Maegashira v san'yaku, Rookie performances and more. See my ode to my new favorite Rikishi (now that Shonanzakura has hung up his mawashi): Moriurara (Jk7). 

[Godango 1,015]

Man, the Ishiura v. Oho bout made me dizzy. 

Edited January 21, 2022 by Godango

[Seiyashi 4,108]

Seems Ishiura and Terutsuyoshi having a little informal competition. After Terutsuyoshi's makiotoshi win yesterday, Ishiura pulls off a beautiful spin-o-rama shitatehineri win against Oho. Bonus points for Magaki commentating on Abema today and looking fairly proud.

Ishiura now 9-4, and in great shape to contend for a gino-sho. It's robbery if he doesn't at least get nominated for a conditional one, methinks; Hoshoryu is the only other serious competitor for it, but his techniques haven't been quite as impressive this basho.

Speaking of sansho, any suggestions for credible candidates? Oho would have seemed a lock for either the kantosho or shukunsho based on his first week performance, but with his second week fade I think he's lucky if he KKs at all. Abi is probably the frontrunner for a shukunsho, and if he can beat Terunofuji tomorrow he's almost certainly got it, I think. Conversely, Mitakeumi might get a kantosho if he is the one to beat Abi and Teru on the way to a yusho.

Other than those aforementioned, the only maegashira who are already KK are Onosho, Takarafuji, Kotonowaka, and Kotoeko. Kotonowaka's sansho fate depends a bit on whether the leaders collapse, I think, even if he remains perfect.

EDIT: Hoshoryu v Kotoeko was a pretty good bout. Kotoeko's loss means he's probably removed from sansho contention, though, while Hoshoryu draws level with Ishiura as a contender for the ginosho at least as far as his W-L record goes.

Edited January 21, 2022 by Seiyashi

[Eikokurai 3,437]

Oho is struggling to get over the line. That's his third defeat on the trot, from 7-3 to 7-6. At his position he has no margin for error - he needs that 8th win to save himself a return trip to Juryo. Hope he can manage it.

Incidentally, that's Ishiura's second shitatehineri this basho. That makes him the first man since ... himself in March 2017 to use it twice in one tournament. Satoyama in March 2014 was the last non-Ishiura to double up on that kimarite in Makuuchi.

[Kaninoyama 1,818]

Hoshoryu at 9-4 is quietly putting together another nice basho.