Akinomaki 40,802 Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) The government daily gazette from today lists so far Bulgarian Aoiyama as one of those who received the permit to become Japanese, with his real name in katakana, ダニエル・イバノフ. https://kanpou.npb.go.jp/20220316/20220316h00695/20220316h006950006f.html He now is ready to become oyakata Edited April 18, 2022 by Akinomaki 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,108 Posted March 16, 2022 If he does so, second Caucasian and Bulgarian, after Kotooshu. DB is having connectivity issues now, but are any of the Kasugano oyakata close to retirement? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,802 Posted March 16, 2022 On 16/03/2022 at 09:20, Seiyashi said: If he does so, second Caucasian and Bulgarian, after Kotooshu. DB is having connectivity issues now, but are any of the Kasugano oyakata close to retirement? He has the Japanese nationality now, the official way to report it is by saying he got the permit to get it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qwerry 25 Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) On 16/03/2022 at 09:20, Seiyashi said: are any of the Kasugano oyakata close to retirement? only Kasugano himself Kasugano KiyotakaRijiKaseda KiyotakaDOB: 22-May-1962 Edited March 16, 2022 by Qwerry 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,668 Posted March 16, 2022 Kasugano hasn't had any trouble securing kabu for his many sekitori over the last decade, so I doubt Aoiyama will be limited to in-house options. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themistyseas 242 Posted March 17, 2022 On 16/03/2022 at 13:15, Asashosakari said: Kasugano hasn't had any trouble securing kabu for his many sekitori over the last decade, so I doubt Aoiyama will be limited to in-house options. Purely speculative, and perhaps this belongs in the stock exchange/kabu babu thread, but two obvious options might be * Irumagawa (which branched out from Kasugano to begin with and could be available next year), or * Potentially in a few years perhaps a deal could be swung to send the Fujigane name back to Nishonoseki ichimon in a trade for Aoiyama's former stablemaster's Tagonoura name (the current holder would certainly be on a list of candidates who might have to shut up shop early for one reason or another) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,530 Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) Edited March 17, 2022 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,904 Posted March 17, 2022 On 17/03/2022 at 18:39, Kintamayama said: You beat me by thirty minutes! Curse you, bass-playing villain! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsuchinoninjin 1,276 Posted March 17, 2022 I had convinced myself that was from Bowie, but instead of admitting I'm wrong, I'm just going to say they ripped off Bowie's sound. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,802 Posted April 18, 2022 (edited) On 16/03/2022 at 09:18, Akinomaki said: The government daily gazette from today lists so far Bulgarian Aoiyama as one of those who received the permit to become Japanese, with his real name in katakana, ダニエル・イバノフ. https://kanpou.npb.go.jp/20220316/20220316h00695/20220316h006950006f.html He now is ready to become oyakata Aoiyama now has a proper Japanese real name, 古田亘右 Furuta ・ Kousuke, the NSK announced the change today. https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202204180000701.html Edited April 18, 2022 by Akinomaki 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,108 Posted April 18, 2022 (edited) Kōsuke is his shikona given name, but the link of Furuta isn't immediately obvious. His introduction to sumō was via ex-ōzeki Kotoōshū, himself a fellow Bulgarian, and his first shishō was ex-Kushimaumi (real surname Kushima), so it's neither of them. Nor is it the honmyō surname of any of the oyakata at Kasugano. He's married to a fellow Bulgarian as well so it isn't his wife's surname as with ex-Kyokutenhō. Two mechanisms I can think of but can't confirm at the moment: Furuta is the surname of someone fairly significant in helping him get settled in Japan - so a sponsor, maybe from a koenkai or something - or it's formed via a calque, the kanji literally meaning "Old Fields". As for the first, the surname Furuta is more popularly associated with a baseball player (for all we know Aoiyama could be a huge baseball fan), but it also does seem to turn up a bit (there was a toriteki in Isegahama named Furuta Wataru, with three characters in common(!) around the start of the Heisei period), so this is the more likely explanation. The calque explanation runs into a dead end, since the natural candidate for a calque would be his hometown, but Elhovo etymologically derives from the alder tree so there's no obvious link there. Edited April 18, 2022 by Seiyashi 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,904 Posted April 18, 2022 On 18/04/2022 at 11:39, Seiyashi said: Kōsuke is his shikona given name, but the link of Furuta isn't immediately obvious. His introduction to sumō was via ex-ōzeki Kotoōshū, himself a fellow Bulgarian, and his first shishō was ex-Kushimaumi (real surname Kushima), so it's neither of them. Nor is it the honmyō surname of any of the oyakata at Kasugano. He's married to a fellow Bulgarian as well so it isn't his wife's surname as with ex-Kyokutenhō. Two mechanisms I can think of but can't confirm at the moment: Furuta is the surname of someone fairly significant in helping him get settled in Japan - so a sponsor, maybe from a koenkai or something - or it's formed via a calque, the kanji literally meaning "Old Fields". As for the first, the surname Furuta is more popularly associated with a baseball player (for all we know Aoiyama could be a huge baseball fan), but it also does seem to turn up a bit (there was a toriteki in Isegahama named Furuta Wataru, with three characters in common(!) around the start of the Heisei period), so this is the more likely explanation. The calque explanation runs into a dead end, since the natural candidate for a calque would be his hometown, but Elhovo etymologically derives from the alder tree so there's no obvious link there. The possible root Fulata is a dry hole. Also, Furata is the English name of a Japanese candy company. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,904 Posted April 18, 2022 On 18/04/2022 at 12:49, Yamanashi said: The possible root Fulata is a dry hole. Also, Furata is the English name of a Japanese candy company. Oh, and Frata is a town in Rumania. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yaochozuna 137 Posted April 18, 2022 Would have expected Oshi Dame or something along those lines… 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fashiritētā 184 Posted April 18, 2022 Well I was going to be smarmy and say his name could have been 乳母 or wet nurse, only because of his moobs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,108 Posted April 18, 2022 https://www.nikkansports.com/m/battle/sumo/news/202204180000701_m.html?mode=all Furuta being the name of a significant supporter confirmed. 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,530 Posted April 19, 2022 It's because her loves his furuta shake. The rest is excuses. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites