Aki 2022 discussion (results)

[Hankegami 537]

1 minute ago, Akinomaki said:

Yeah, I wrote that. It is a good custom to always add the era or system for which a record holds and "all time", if it's a general record

My wonderful memory. Of course you are right:

39 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Kyokutenho had the oldest at first yusho as a record, so that never was in peril anyway, Tamawashi is now oldest since Showa

Sorry, I was totally absorbed by the award ceremony and improvised my reply.

[Kaninoyama 1,817]

16 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

No wonder Tamawashi's thrusting got better. Some photos from Kataonami oyakata were flashed on the NHK broadcast and they showed Tamawashi practicing pushing against two lower rankers.

The photos were more to show that he was able to win despite being the lone sekitori in his heya, and the training methods he was forced to improvise. 

Mainoumi said that since Tamawashi was able to win despite such limitations in training opportunities, there's no longer any excuse for other rikishi in similar positions. 

Edited September 25, 2022 by Kaninoyama

[Akinomaki 40,755]

2 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said:

The photos were more to show that he was able to win despite being the lone sekitori in his heya, and the training methods he was forced to improvise. 

Mainoumi said that since Tamawashi was able to win despite such limitations in training opportunities, there's no longer any excuse for other rikishi in similar positions. 

At least lone sekitori Mitoryu has a valid excuse for his failure

[Seiyashi 4,108]

3 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said:

Mainoumi said that since Tamawashi was able to win despite such limitations in training opportunities, there's no longer any excuse for other rikishi in similar positions. 

I believe that is what they call in my part of the world (albeit less grammatically) "spoiling the market" - i.e. making everyone else look bad.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

Wasn’t Kakuryu the sole rikishi at his stable? 

[Kaninoyama 1,817]

1 minute ago, Eikokurai said:

Wasn’t Kakuryu the sole rikishi at his stable? 

Sure, there have been others, but Mainoumi's comments were particularly in reference to how rikishi have dealt with training restrictions (no degeko until recently) due to Covid.

While some have used the restrictions as an excuse for poor performance, Tamawashi appears to have emerged from the pandemic stronger than ever despite his age. 

[Akinomaki 40,755]

6 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

Wasn’t Kakuryu the sole rikishi at his stable? 

I think you're mixing rikishi with sekitori again

[Eikokurai 3,437]

3 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

I think you're mixing rikishi with sekitori again

No, I’m asking a question.

[Seiyashi 4,108]

It came pretty close but Izutsu never came down to 1, I think.

[Octofuji 368]

6 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said:

While some have used the restrictions as an excuse for poor performance, Tamawashi appears to have emerged from the pandemic stronger than ever despite his age. 

Yeah it's remarkable just how dominant he has been at his age. Quite different from Tokushoryu's yusho for example.

I think that's the main reason why I don't feel so sad for Takayasu this time, he was just blown away (like everyone else) by someone who looks like he can keep going into his 40s.

[Eikokurai 3,437]

6 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

It came pretty close but Izutsu never came down to 1, I think.

Seems it was 3 right at the end.

[Jakusotsu 6,046]

2 hours ago, Octofuji said:

Takayasu has a Charlie Chaplin kesho mawashi??!

Yup, for a very long time actually.

[Jakusotsu 6,046]

Very happy for Tamawashi. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he wins his 3rd at 40+.

[Fukuyamada 42]

I would be quite surprised if none of the younger guys become dominant and start winning all the yusho by the time Tamawashi is 40+.

edit: Although I wouldn't be surprised if he's still able to hang in the top division at 40+.and perhaps Hakuhou spoiled the market for us younger fans by winning so frequently and convincingly.

Edited September 25, 2022 by Fukuyamada

[Jakusotsu 6,046]

23 hours ago, LifeisaDragon said:

I know they're the sumo experts and I'm not, but I can't help feeling like the JSA is acting shortsighted right now. Sure, some drama/excitement on day 15 might boost attendance tomorrow, and Takayasu finally winning a yusho could be a nice feel good moment, but in the medium to long term sumo needs new stars. I like Takayasu, but that's not him—he's too old and isn't consistently good enough. So is him getting another shot at a yusho (which fans don't have any faith he'll cash in on, anyway) really worth making rikishi like Hoshoryu (who definitely is star material, and will likely get a big push in the next couple of years) look like doofuses?

Took me a while, but I think I finally understand what this cryptic post is about - seems like the OP assumes scripted bouts á la WWF.

Edited September 25, 2022 by Jakusotsu

[Octofuji 368]

33 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Yup, for a very long time actually.

 eleven years or more it seems...I guess I can't have seen as many kesho mawashi as I thought just from looking at the highlights.

 

[RabidJohn 1,854]

51 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Took me a while, but I think I finally understand what this cryptic post is about - seems like the OP assumes scripted bouts á la WWF.

As I understand it, there are places in Internet sumo 'fandom' where the OP will fit right in.

Edited September 25, 2022 by RabidJohn

[RabidJohn 1,854]

Congratulations to Tamawashi on yusho no. 2. Emphatic victory over Takayasu. What a way to come back from an involuntary kyujo. 

I'm so pleased they saw fit to award a 2nd shukun-sho to Tobizaru. Thoroughly well deserved IMO. 

And a gino-sho for Wakatakakage - I did not see that coming after his 0-3 start. Let's see if he can maintain the momentum on his run this time.

Obviously, most of these results are conditional on an abysmal performance by the Y/O, so I can understand the dissatisfaction with the overall quality of the sumo this time, but I enjoyed the basho nonetheless. 
I've got no complaints about Terunofuji, nor can I complain about Takakeisho; 10-5 is an ozeki doing his job. I only feel sad for Mitakeumi's loss of rank, but Shodai is starting to irritate me a little. What's his excuse?

[sumojoann 1,268]

1 hour ago, Jakusotsu said:

Took me a while, but I think I finally understand what this cryptic post is about - seems like the OP assumes scripted bouts á la WWF.

I think you're right.  My doctor, who otherwise seemed like an intelligent person, actually said (when I told her how exciting Japanese professional sumo was), "But isn't that all fake?"

20 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

As I understand it, there are places in Internet sumo fandom where the OP will fit right in.

Maybe we should accept them as a new member of SF and the "Wise Ones" on the forum can attempt to educate them,  although sometimes you can't fix stupid.

[Seregost 132]

Congratulations to Tamawashi! I feel really sad for my favourite rikishi, Takayasu (again), but Tamawashi has fought better the whole tournament, and it's impressive how dominant he can be at almost 38 yo. It looks he might cash those 7 kinboshi for many years. And Takayasu, like he said himself, will try again in Kyushu, no injury-covid-whatever withstanding. Nice to see the Onami brothers doing well, they are for sure the future or maybe the present (even Wakatakamoto got his kk this time, would be so nice if he gets some kg and sekitorihood, in this order). And about the O and Y, plagued with physical and mental injuries, cannot say much. I hope Shodai loses his rank and has time to reset his brain, and Mitakeumi can get his 10 next basho. Terunofuji, well, we all know he doesn't have so much time left. He has been brilliant anyway, everything he gets from now is just more... cherries on top of the cake, is said?

[Seiyashi 4,108]

Flag bearer for the yūshō car (not sure if there is a parade; there might be since there is a driver) is Kagayaki, who had been Tamawashi's tsukebito. That's quite unusual for a non-makuuchi sekitori to be standard bearer, is it? (I feel like I've made this observation before and someone has chimed in with the correct stat)

Edited September 25, 2022 by Seiyashi

[rzombie1988 159]

The field has been really weak for the last couple of tournaments and some of the results here were just downright embarrassing. If you cannot get to 12 wins under these conditions, what are you doing in sanyaku? Hokuseiho and crew can't come soon enough.

Asanoyama really screwed up by getting suspended. He likely would be Yokozuna and would have a couple of titles now if he hadn't gotten in trouble. I bet Hakuho's probably regretting retiring too as he would have easily won this one if he had stuck around.

I knew Tamawashi was winning this when he was in the lead at Day 9. There was just no way a proven vet like him was letting this golden ticket go.

Edited September 25, 2022 by rzombie1988

[Seiyashi 4,108]

18 minutes ago, rzombie1988 said:

Hokuseiho and crew can't come soon enough.

Ironically Hokuseihō's results weren't that impressive either, failing in the home stretch after his KK.

[Swami 245]

1 hour ago, Seiyashi said:

Flag bearer for the yūshō car (not sure if there is a parade; there might be since there is a driver) is Kagayaki, who had been Tamawashi's tsukebito. That's quite unusual for a non-makuuchi sekitori to be standard bearer, is it? (I feel like I've made this observation before and someone has chimed in with the correct stat)

I remember for Chiyonofuji's 31st and final yusho, juryo Tomoefuji accompanied the Wolf.  He made his Makunouchi debut in January 1991, though.

 

Swami

[Fashiritētā 184]

Congrats to Tamawashi, Takayasu, please seek professional help.