Banzuke for Aki 2022

So Endou gets demoted one spot with 3 wins and Takanoshou gets demoted 9 spots with one win? Wow, glad I didn't enter this time- I would have gotten a -10.

Yubinhaad · August 28, 2022

Again a short list of shikona changes, just one more than last basho. Shin-Juryo Kanno's change to Tochimusashi was announced along with his promotion shortly after the Nagoya basho.

Two of the other changes come from Asahiyama-beya. A year after reverting to his family name, Sugawara now takes his second proper shikona, Harunishiki. The first kanji is not often used in shikona but I like it, and the reading of Haru is unusual as well. Anyway, he has also changed the given name to Yoshinobu.

His stablemate Nishikiryu makes an addition to his existing shikona, simply adding 'no' to the middle. He also changes the given name, but in his case it now matches his real given name of Ryusei.

Lastly, Asakayama-beya's Kairo has reverted to his earlier shikona of Kaitoma, the latter two kanji being those of his family name.

J14e Kanno > Tochimusashi (栃武蔵, とちむさし)
Sd59e Sugawara Sho > Harunishiki Yoshinobu (悠錦　義信, はるにしき　よしのぶ)
Sd69w Nishikiryu Yusei > Nishikinoryu Ryusei (錦乃竜　龍星, にしきのりゅう　りゅうせい)
Jd25w Kairo > Kaitoma (魁當真, かいとうま)

One rikishi changes the given name only:

Jd35e Asakoga Keita > Kingoro (金五郎, きんごろう)

Two rikishi with late-stage arasoi action in Nagoya had given names added to their profiles which need adding to the database. Both backdated to the start of their career.

Jd11e Rinko Yoshikazu (寛一, よしかず)
Jd42w Kazuto Ko (幸, こう)

Edited August 28, 2022 by Yubinhaad

Kujo · August 28, 2022

3 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

So Endou gets demoted one spot with 3 wins and Takanoshou gets demoted 9 spots with one win? Wow, glad I didn't enter this time- I would have gotten a -10.

Sometimes you eat the bear, so times it bearly eats you.

This time the bear chewed me up, spit me out, and then the stomped all over the pieces that were left.

That must have been a fun (drunken) night in the izakaya where they drew up that mess.

Either that or they wore a blindfold and threw darts at a wall (probably the same izakaya) with the shikonas on it to make the picks.

Edited August 29, 2022 by Kujo

Hoshotakamoto · August 28, 2022

I see that just for fun they went ahead and adopted the heuristic I would have endorsed in the July banzuke with 3 and 3. Well at any rate this is my first official GTB kyujo just when I was about to have my 6th (or 7th) submission. Might as well just submit the banzuke's I agree with for the next year as opposed to the ones I expect them to use.

EDIT: oh boy, so in the 12 day tournament where Tobizaru finished 8-4 and Kotonowaka pulled out 2 days early at 7-3, we were forced to promoted Tobizaru ahead of Kotonowaka by virtue of the fact that Tobi would have finished above a .500 win percentage in a hypothetical 15 day competition. good application of math and logic!

Edited August 28, 2022 by Hoshotakamoto

Gurowake · August 29, 2022

Let's just acknowledge that the rankings were updated and move on.

Ack! · August 29, 2022

This is an embarassment to sumo. I should have known when there was talk of "fairness" in making the banzuke that there wouldn't be any.

Kishinoyama · August 29, 2022

59 minutes ago, Ack! said:

This is an embarassment to sumo. I should have known when there was talk of "fairness" in making the banzuke that there wouldn't be any.

Honestly, it seems like several rikishi get, let me try and be politically correct, "bad banzuke luck" when every banzuke is released. Let me clear by saying it is not necessarily the same rikishi all of the time. (Thinkingindepth...)

Nantonoyama · August 29, 2022

If they don't make clearer statements for next tournament, any guy with a bad start will be very keen to get covid (or a positive test, no matter if real)

Akinomaki · August 29, 2022

First time since Hatsu 1999 a banzuke with 3 sekiwake and 3 komusubi, 6 lower sanyaku was last in Kyushu 2019 o

New sekiwake Hoshoryu

o o o o

return komusubi Ichinojo had an online press conference

o o o o o

new makuuchi Mitoryu, with Nishikido oyakata

o o o o

new makuuchi Hiradoumi, from Nagasaki pref. like Sakaigawa oyakata, the first from there since Sadanofuji Kyushu 2011

o o o o o vid

Edited August 29, 2022 by Akinomaki

just_some_guy · August 29, 2022

Bummer for Mitoryu that he won't be able to go for the "most consecutive basho in Juryo" record anymore. Always seemed like that was his goal.

Rocks · August 29, 2022

5 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

First time since Hatsu 1999 a banzuke with 3 sekiwake and 3 komusubi, 6 lower sanyaku was last in Kyushu 2019

Well, I figured that right, only I thought Ichinojo would get the sekiwake slot. Kind of weird they thought they needed to promote Hoshoryu when his only real sanyaku win was against fellow Komusubi Abi. You would think that if they felt they needed to promote Hoshoryu they would have just made a fourth Sekiwake slot for Ichinojo and gone with 2 Komusubi.

Oskanohana · August 29, 2022

21 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

So Endou gets demoted one spot with 3 wins and Takanoshou gets demoted 9 spots with one win? Wow, glad I didn't enter this time- I would have gotten a -10.

I was thinking this also, but then I remembered that Takanoshou actually went kyujo but not because of covid, so he must have been treated as a regular 1-14 record. Meanwhile Endo was a 3-9 and....I don't know, they counted it as a 6-9?...and even by that standard they were generous.

By the way, I forgot this Takanosho fact and put him as M3e in my 8th placed guess for this basho. That GTB game is just great.

Edited August 29, 2022 by Oskanohana

Reonito · August 29, 2022

6 hours ago, just_some_guy said:

Bummer for Mitoryu that he won't be able to go for the "most consecutive basho in Juryo" record anymore. Always seemed like that was his goal.

Speaking of which, what is the record?

Katooshu · August 29, 2022

I think it's Sawakaze, with a mighty 39

Edited August 29, 2022 by Katooshu

Koorifuu · August 29, 2022

1 hour ago, Katooshu said:

I think it's Sawakaze, with a mighty 39

Minor caveat, but with 36 slots in juryo as opposed to 28, Sawakaze had considerable more leeway and arguably had it slightly easier.

Gurowake · August 29, 2022

Somewhat remarkably given the general tenor of Reddit, there doesn't seem to be much consternation there about the banzuke. I attribute that to the fact that most of them only have a very vague idea of how the banzuke usually works. Not a single person complaining about Ichiyamamoto though, and there's currently 60 comments. One comment about Endo. The only thing that it seems like someone was angry at in principle was the promotion of Hoshoryu, despite the fact that there was very clear precedent with Asanoyama that in strange situations they possibly won't treat certain Sekiwake as blocking promotion.

Edited August 29, 2022 by Gurowake

Bakayokozuna · August 29, 2022

I have a hard time seeing our two M1 do well that high in the banzuke. I mean that expended sanyaku group looks great and there are guys better than them behind (kotonowaka, takayasu...)

Katooshu · August 29, 2022

1 hour ago, Koorifuu said:

Minor caveat, but with 36 slots in juryo as opposed to 28, Sawakaze had considerable more leeway and arguably had it slightly easier.

True, though others who came along more recently also had more consecutive juryo basho than Mitoryu

Credit to WAKATAKE for the list

Most Consecutive Basho in Juryo (6BPY)

1. 39 - Sawakaze (3/1960~7/1966)
2. 34 - Tomonohana (3/1996~9/2001)
3. 30 - Kochi (11/1958~9/1963)
3. 30 - Tochiisami (1/1975~11/1979)
3. 30 - Hakuryu (5/1979~3/1984)
3. 30 - Toyonoumi (5/1994~3/1999)
7. 29 - Azumanishiki (11/1962~7/1967)

Edited August 29, 2022 by Katooshu

Sue · August 29, 2022

10 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

First time since Hatsu 1999 a banzuke with 3 sekiwake and 3 komusubi, 6 lower sanyaku was last in Kyushu 2019

And three Ozeki, for symmetry. If we had two more Yokozuna, we'd have four of a kind.

Asashosakari · August 29, 2022

(Moved over from the GTB thread.)

3 hours ago, Reonito said:

19 hours ago, Yarimotsu said:

The covid absences of those with 8 wins or losses are removed entirely from their score in calculating a win-loss differential to move that rikishi up or down a certain amount.

I don't think that's what they actually did. As @Gurowake and @Sumo Spiffy also noted, it looks roughly like for those with 8+ wins they assumed all the absences were losses, and for those with 8+ losses they assumed the absences were wins.

19 hours ago, Yarimotsu said:

Oh, and obviously Endo's rank is egregious but there's always one.

Endo's placement is consistent with this interpretation, as is Nishikigi's.

I don't know about that. At the very least, how Endo and Hokutofuji were treated then implies inconsistency in how they looked at the fusenpai. They don't seem to have tossed it out for Hokutofuji, because to do so would mean a 7-8 record for him but he fell below Tochinoshin's real 7-8. On the contrary, if the fusenpai were counted as a loss for Endo as well (and the other absences as wins), he'd be 5-10 and should have fallen below Aoiyama, rather than stayed between Wakamotoharu and Aoiyama's nearby 6-9 records.

Elsewhere it does appear that they've consistently treated the fusenpai as a loss in the sekitori divisions, and then let the usual banzuke luck take hold so that e.g. Tamawashi stayed put with 8 losses (like Ura and Sadanoumi also did in the joi) while Tsurugisho dropped with 8 (like Chiyoshoma also did down low). However, then in juryo it's all even more messy with Azumaryu and Kaisho demoted slightly with records that weren't MK even with the fusen. I guess Kaisho can be excused simply because he's in a very crunched banzuke area, but I don't see why they dropped Azumaryu when space was still plentiful in his zone. It's almost like they tried to treat those two consistently even though it required breaking away from what they did in makuuchi.

Then in the lower divisions, it looks like the fusenpai were consistently treated as not MK-clinching; all the guys with 2-4-1 records after three real losses stayed at their ranks. (Edit: Ditto everybody who finished 3-4 with a Covid fusen.)

They messed up elsewhere, though; there are two further 2-4-1's who had four real losses + Covid exit, Kaihiryu and Kotofuno, and while they did both get demoted as one would expect, Kaihiryu seemingly got 3-4 treatment for the absence while Kotofuno got 2-5. I haven't yet looked at how much sense the promotions and demotions are making for all the other guys who had clinched KK or MK already before they were taken out.

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Commiserations to Daiamami who also got caught out by the mid-low juryo crunch and might as well have finished with a full 2-13; his new rank doesn't look much like a 4-11 equivalent (let alone a 5-10, if he'd received his stablemate Endo's apparent treatment).

And since nobody has explicitly mentioned it yet - after having fought to a 6-2 record, Ichiyamamoto is now two spots closer to juryo than he was. That's just splendid.

Edited August 29, 2022 by Asashosakari

Reonito · August 29, 2022

43 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

(Moved over from the GTB thread.)

I don't know about that. At the very least, how Endo and Hokutofuji were treated then implies inconsistency in how they looked at the fusenpai. They don't seem to have tossed it out for Hokutofuji, because to do so would mean a 7-8 record for him but he fell below Tochinoshin's real 7-8. On the contrary, if the fusenpai were counted as a loss for Endo as well (and the other absences as wins), he'd be 5-10 and should have fallen below Aoiyama, rather than stayed between Wakamotoharu and Aoiyama's nearby 6-9 records.

Elsewhere it does appear that they've consistently treated the fusenpai as a loss in the sekitori divisions, and then let the usual banzuke luck take hold so that e.g. Tamawashi stayed put with 8 losses (like Ura and Sadanoumi also did in the joi) while Tsurugisho dropped with 8 (like Chiyoshoma also did down low). However, then in juryo it's all even more messy with Azumaryu and Kaisho demoted slightly with records that weren't MK even with the fusen. I guess Kaisho can be excused simply because he's in a very crunched banzuke area, but I don't see why they dropped Azumaryu when space was still plentiful in his zone. It's almost like they tried to treat those two consistently even though it required breaking away from what they did in makuuchi.

Then in the lower divisions, it looks like the fusenpai were consistently treated as not MK-clinching; all the guys with 2-4-1 records after three real losses stayed at their ranks. (Edit: Ditto everybody who finished 3-4 with a Covid fusen.)

They messed up elsewhere, though; there are two further 2-4-1's who had four real losses + Covid exit, Kaihiryu and Kotofuno, and while they did both get demoted as one would expect, Kaihiryu seemingly got 3-4 treatment for the absence while Kotofuno got 2-5. I haven't yet looked at how much sense the promotions and demotions are making for all the other guys who had clinched KK or MK already before they were taken out.

-----

Commiserations to Daiamami who also got caught out by the mid-low juryo crunch and might as well have finished with a full 2-13; his new rank doesn't look much like a 4-11 equivalent (let alone a 5-10, if he'd received his stablemate Endo's apparent treatment).

And since nobody has explicitly mentioned it yet - after having fought to a 6-2 record, Ichiyamamoto is now two spots closer to juryo than he was. That's just splendid.

I don't think there is a single logic to the whole thing that was applied consistently throughout (which, of course is also true for more conventional banzuke), but the notion of padding out MK/KK COVID-kyujo records with wins/losses respectively helped me make sense of several decisions that seem inexplicable otherwise.

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