Rare kimarite watch

[I am the Yokozuna 194]

Wrong call, in my opinion, too

[Yubinhaad 11,761]

 

If that's the best the current kimarite-gakari can do, the Kyokai should call the previous Oyama and reemploy him until he's 100.

[Akinomaki 40,753]

The NHK announcer first called it tsukiotoshi, then repeated that Tamawashi made a tsukiotoshi, but that it was called a gasshohineri. First he had 2 hands at the head but in the end smashed him down with the right, Kitanofuji commented that that isn't called a gasshohineri. Tamawashi also was surprised, though he performed the right hineri moves as well, only it wasn't the final deciding technique, which is what the kimarite should be.

Kitanofuji: the kimarite-gakari called it that, so let's take it as OK

Abema speculated tsukiotoshi, then kubihineri, pointing out that the requirements for a gasshohineri are different

Edited November 22, 2022 by Akinomaki

[Yamanashi 3,903]

Clearly, some kimarite are so rare that you don't recognize them when you see them, and when you recognize them you don't see them.

[ryafuji 815]

Still leaves Kotofuji vs Nankairyu from 1987 as the most recent sekitori example then. 

[sumojoann 1,268]

This is hilarious!!  It's a 2011 Japanese TV game show called "Can You Name that Rare Sumo Technique?"  It features Hakuho, Kaio, Baruto, Kotooshu, Takamisakari and a retired Chiyonofuji among others trying to guess the rare kimarite shown in videos of various ozumo bouts.  Some of the guesses were spot-on while others were hilariously wrong (kotenage?!).  (Move your cursor back if it jumps forward at the beginning). 

 

Edited November 23, 2022 by Jakusotsu
(Move your cursor back if it jumps forward at the beginning) -> fixed

[Seiyashi 4,108]

1 hour ago, sumojoann said:

This is hilarious!!  It's a 2011 Japanese TV game show called "Can You Name that Rare Sumo Technique?"  It features Hakuho, Kaio, Baruto, Kotooshu, Takamisakari and a retired Chiyonofuji among others trying to guess the rare kimarite shown in videos of various ozumo bouts.  Some of the guesses were spot-on while others were hilariously wrong (kotenage?!).  (Move your cursor back if it jumps forward at the beginning). 

 

Superb find.

The chap in a suit next to Chiyonofuji is the then-Tomozuna oyakata, ex-Kaiki. The guy next to ex-Kaiki is ex-Kaiketsu, Hanaregoma oyakata, then rijichō, who goes on to demonstrate the difference between gasshōhineri and tokkurinage. (The unfortunate guinea pig is complaining about his grip strength.)

It's hilarious that the first two bouts feature the precise kimarite under discussion of late. 

Of the nonsense kimarite made up by the guests, the Harumafuji-Asashōryū one (momo-age-nage) is guessed as "bum-lifting throw". It's eventually revealed to be yaguranage, which Hakuhō proceeds to demonstrate with an unfortunately placed knee, and some egging on by Chiyonofuji.

Edited November 23, 2022 by Seiyashi

[Seregost 132]

Btw, it's the call in the Tochimusashi-Kaisho bout correct? Of course Kasugano's man left hand is doing uwatenage, but because he's grabbing Kaisho's knee with the other hand, I thought the kimarite would be different.

[Jomangor 29]

On 22/11/2022 at 04:03, specialweek 2 said:

Absolutely tokkurinage. 

This old Japan Times Kimarite List reference mentions that "[tokkurinage] was also called gasshohineri but that name is now used to describe a variation of tokkurinage." I don't know how old the website is.

This seems to explain the confusion/disagreement.

[Akinomaki 40,753]

On 10/09/2022 at 16:50, Kintamayama said:

Zubuneri Haru 1998  Asahiyutaka- Teraou

Like every basho the watch was announced by Nikkan - another one down today

[Akinomaki 40,753]

On 10/09/2022 at 09:50, Kintamayama said:

Oosakate Hatsu 2010 Baruto - Kakizoe

Today Tokyo-to Osakate by Kotonowaka

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[Akinomaki 40,753]

On 10/09/2022 at 09:50, Kintamayama said:

Nimaigeri Hatsu 2014 Tokitenkuu-Shoutenrou

Went a bit unnoticed as the first in Reiwa - the nimaigeri that sent Hoshoryu to kyujo by injuring further the already damage right knee o

O1e Kirishima (11-2) nimaigeri O1w Hoshoryu (10-3)
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[Sokkenaiyama 81]

On 22/11/2022 at 19:02, Akinomaki said:

The NHK announcer first called it tsukiotoshi, then repeated that Tamawashi made a tsukiotoshi, but that it was called a gasshohineri. First he had 2 hands at the head but in the end smashed him down with the right, Kitanofuji commented that that isn't called a gasshohineri. Tamawashi also was surprised, though he performed the right hineri moves as well, only it wasn't the final deciding technique, which is what the kimarite should be.

Kitanofuji: the kimarite-gakari called it that, so let's take it as OK

Abema speculated tsukiotoshi, then kubihineri, pointing out that the requirements for a gasshohineri are different

Used to be quite the kimarite fiend back in the day, but now I'm living off memories. I also used to be quite a stickler for calling the precise ending technique, but with time I've relaxed that view a bit, since sumo is generally a continuous series of techniques and it's sometimes hard to tell what was the actual decisive move.

For example, let's assume Kaio is facing Miyabiyama, and they're locked in the middle of the dohyo, hidari-yotsu. Kaio breaks his right hand mawashi grip and locks Fatman's left arm, then he twists left and back to deploy the dreadful kotenage throw. It doesn't fell Miyabiyama down to the ground, but rather sends the guy completely off balance to the edge, where he's tip-toeing for half a second before Kaio flicks him over the tawara. Are you gonna call it okuridashi? Or are you gonna call it kotenage?

Another example, and you see this one quite a lot. One guy is clearly winning the pushing game, inching the other guy towards the edge. The other guy slips an arm under the attacker's pit, swinging him down towards the floor. He finishes the job with a palm on the guy's back, but it's not clear whether the guy would have fallen down on his own or the final push was the one that did it. Sukuinage or tsukiotoshi?

And since we're on the subject of ambiguity, oosakate and utchari are hard to distinguish sometimes, because a "pure" oosakate requires monstrous shoulder and arm strength without help from the other side. Case in point, if you were to ask me what the kimarite in the Kotonowaka pic above was, I'd answer utchari almost without thinking. But that doesn't mean it wasn't MOSTLY an oosakate, i. e. that most of the momentum was caused by the reverse arm throw.

That said, I get the distinct feeling that sometimes kimarite calls are just boneheaded, as if the guy in charge is half asleep or something.