Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted January 1, 2002 How long do you think it will take you to really start thinking in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshifransu 0 Posted January 1, 2002 The problem in France is a lot of (old) persons think again in "Ancient Francs". 1 Franc = 100 Ancient Francs and replaced it at the late 60's but everybody who lived and used to pay in Ancient Francs still think everything in Ancient Francs and nowadays, some of them managed to think in Francs, now they must think in Euros ... Oh dear ! For France, 1 Euro = 6.55957 francs, it's a very hard convertion ! Oh dear ... I wish an happy new Year to everybody and a lot of patience with the Euro currency ! (Hehe...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 463 Posted January 1, 2002 i guess any country getting the Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshifransu 0 Posted January 1, 2002 Well, 13,7603 is not an easy one too ! One thing will be funny with Euro : we could have coins of all the european countries in our tasks because if you look at the back of each coin, each country keeps a sign of his former currency or culture. And so, we could find Euros from Grece, Italy, Spain, Finland, Austria ... in our tasks and record the fact some of them travelled a lot ! Pretty funny, isn't it ? :-9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kofuji 0 Posted January 1, 2002 Hmmm ... I wonder what happens to my left over francs from my trip to France last summer? Regards, Kofuji Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kaikitsune Posted January 1, 2002 The problem in France is a lot of (old) persons think again in "Ancient Francs". 1 Franc = 100 Ancient Francs and replaced it at the late 60's but everybody who lived and used to pay in Ancient Francs still think everything in Ancient Francs Similar phenomenon occured in Finland when the "new mark" came in the 1960s. Even though the change rate was according to same formula as evidently in France (1 Mark = 100 "Old marks") and all you had to do was to drop couple of zeros from prices or shift the desimal point left, still many old people referred to prices as "in old marks it cost......" even years after the change. but talking of "change-rates"...only the germans have an easy to remember number to multiply...it's roughly 2..... In Finland it is reasonably convenient too as 1 euro = quite close to 6 marks (around 5.95FIM). Italians were the most eager to get rid of their currency if I remember correctly. Drastic drop in attendance to Millionaire clubs there I bet! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted January 1, 2002 I can't help being amazed how small these notes feel like. The difference to the old markkas isn't that big, though. In fact the 20 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshifransu 0 Posted January 1, 2002 Well, for the other European countries, I don't know, but in France, after 28th february, you won't be allowed to pay in francs no more when going shopping. But "La banque de France" and the other banks will have to keep on accepting francs up to something like july 2002. After this date francs will be worth nothing, though collectors have already made up lists of quotations and searching for buying a lot of coins with small values. It's difficult to change his coins in some change offices. They ever accept notes but rarely coins. The best alternative for you if you don't come back in France before July, is to change this money in the currency of these countries for example : Denmark, Sweden, Norway, England, Switzerland, USA, etc.. because if you change it in Euro and if one day, you have to go to England, Switzerland, etc.. you'll have to change your Euro in " Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshifransu 0 Posted January 1, 2002 As you said, old Marks or old Francs were easier to translate in Marks or Francs respectively with 1 (nouveau/new) Franc = 100 (Ancien/old) Franc. 1 to 100 is better to translate than 1 to 6,55957 !!! One thing is not very well established : it's about cheques. I understood cheques in Euro are only allowed in your own country. It's really stupid ... Sometimes, you think the politics really don't matter about easy terms for people. Euro was only created for businessmen. If my Euro cheques are not allowed in other countries, really any interest to own the same currency ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manekineko 200 Posted January 2, 2002 I'm not from an EU country, but good old D-Mark was a second currency here for ages, due to unstable economics and sometimes rampaging inflation of Yugoslavian dinar. Now in Croatia things are more stable, and inflation is normal, but old habits die hard and most pricey things are still calculated in DEM (houses and cars...). But since the conversion rate from DEM to Euro is simple, I don't think people will have any problems, only everything will seem cheaper (500 instead of 1000). And about old Francs, and old Marks. In my lifetime (and I'm not *that* old) I've lived through 4 (!) changes of currency: Old dinars to new dinars, then dropping off several zeroes from new dinars (I used to be a millionare too), then new Croatian dinars (again a few zeroes off), and then Croatian Kuna... And I'll probably see Kuna replaced by Euro in a decade or so. My father has even more impressive record, and I won't even mention my grandma... :-P Anyway, it usualy took two changes for old calculations in 'millions' or 'thousands' to die out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshifransu 0 Posted January 4, 2002 For Finland, certainly confusion with that similarity ... About what you said, Manekeniko-San, that's another proof of the legendary strength of the DM, which was certainly something like the second currency after the US $ and that let me think again I can't believe German people accepted to let down their (historically) powerful DM to an uncertain Euro ... Well, in France, it's scandalous because French Administration said they prevented from any prices rise and yesterday I catched my train to Paris (I live in the suburbs) and what a surprise : I payed the ticket 12,80 FF instead of 12 FF. Thanks to the Euro and its adjustments. The French Train company belongs to the state and so they have the right to rise their prices ... And they always adjust to a more expensive price and not a cheaper one, did you notice ? The same with all the money machines (like for casinos) ... Euro is a really bad thing as regard these facts. Shopkeepers have no rights to rise their sales at the moment but when they will, we could watch a lot of prices like 12,99 Euro or 9,99 Euro which are typical in the UK. Each time I went to London or elsewhere in England, I had my tasks full of coins of 1 pence. This will be the same with the coins of 1 cent, you will see ! (Going nuts...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted January 4, 2002 Each time I went to London or elsewhere in England, I had my tasks full of coins of 1 pence. This will be the same with the coins of 1 cent, you will see ! (Going nuts...) There are practically no one and two cent coins in Finland. Small number of those were stamped to be added to the bags with 3.88 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiyozakura 130 Posted January 4, 2002 In Germany there are mainly prices of 5.99DM or now 2.99 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshifransu 0 Posted January 5, 2002 9,99 or 99,99 are really psychological prices, aren't they ? In France, petrole & gasoline costed about 6,50 francs / 7 francs for 1 litre and 1 Euro = 6,55957 francs and so you imagine the price of gasoline is about 0,99 Euro for 1 litre and I'm sure the consumption will increase a little bit with that ! (Alien stuff) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,178 Posted January 6, 2002 BTW, is the production number font same everywhere? (Please note this is not the real size.) The letter in front of the number is a code in which country the note was printed. Sorry, but I didn't find a list of codes with corresponding countries in the net. Since all (not so many) notes in my wallet have the letter X, I assume X ist for "Made in Germany". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kaikitsune Posted January 6, 2002 Since all (not so many) notes in my wallet have the letter X, I assume X ist for "Made in Germany". Letter L appeares on all of my euro notes which gives solid foundation to assume L-code notes were born in Finland. Nice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted January 7, 2002 The letter in front of the number is a code in which country the note was printed. Sorry, but I didn't find a list of codes with corresponding countries in the net. Since all (not so many) notes in my wallet have the letter X, I assume X ist for "Made in Germany". My notes are also of the L variety so that indeed seems to be Finland's letter. But what about the font itself used to the letter and numbers after it? I ask this only because the font seemed to be practically the same that was used on the markka notes. That looked strange. Why is the serial number twice on the back side? To keep the note identifiable even if it's torn in two? Why not on different sides as with the markka notes (unless I remember wrong)? Why is the number printed both in black (the upper one) and in an average colour (the lower one) of the note? Why can't I find answers to these questions anywhere online? Let's see if I can find my magnifying glass... They could have secrets printed on them! Truth about UFOs, Elvis's whereabouts, naughty pictures, Hatsu Basho results... (In the 20 FIM notes there were the last words of a Finnish novel!) Yeah, I know, it's 4:10... (Zzz...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted January 7, 2002 Oh, before I forget! Whose signature is that?!?!? Not even a pharmacist with 50 years of experience could decipher that one! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 463 Posted January 7, 2002 my austrian notes all have an N in front of the numbers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manekineko 200 Posted January 8, 2002 9,99 or 99,99 are really psychological prices, aren't they ? I've read somewhere that the original reason for having those prices (it originated in USA) was to make sure that cashier always had to return some change, thus forcing him to open the register-box (cassa, cash-box, what-it's-called) and with this register the sale. This was meant to stop them pocketing the money! :-P Very soon the psychological influence of such prices was recognized, and used... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manekineko 200 Posted January 18, 2002 my austrian notes all have an N in front of the numbers I've just got my hands on my first Euro notes, and all 6 of them have N in front. So I guess we imported a bunch of Austrian Euros. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshifransu 0 Posted January 18, 2002 I don't know for you but as far as I am concerned, at the moment, my tasks are full of coins of 1 cent, 2 cents and now, shops do not practice psychological prices like 9,99 Euro, but when they will make it, I will buy jeans with 4, 5 tasks to walk with all that ! But I think the main reason at the moment is I cannot recognize easily a coin of 1 cent, 2 cents, 5 cents, 10 cents, so when the shop-keeper asks me to pay something and there is a queue of a lot of people waiting for paying too, I have no time to look at these coins and to get rid of them, so I give a coin of 1 Euro, and I gather other little coins ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
