Hatsu 2023 discussion (results)

[Akinomaki 40,804]

  On 22/01/2023 at 18:49, Gurowake said:

When was the ceremony though?

Never reported, so probably there was none yet. The ceremony is just a party event and isn't what constitutes the marriage, the registration is.

[dingo 1,294]

You all got it wrong, obviously the baby is a high ranking koenkai member who sponsored lots of kensho among other things. 

[Octofuji 369]

  On 22/01/2023 at 17:33, Seiyashi said:

In other news, I just managed to watch today's bouts, and wow. If you didn't know him you'd have sworn Takakeishō's been pulling sukuinage like this his whole career. That was a very commanding way to finish the tournament and I agree - he might not be considered for promotion this time, but he's sure setting himself up in more than just a numbers way for one in the near future if he carries on like this.

Yes really impressed by how he controlled the bout and went in for the clinch when I expected him to keep his distance.

Plus that's a solid year of completed bashos behind him now, his longest such spell since he made Ozeki.

[Reonito 1,523]

Hoshoryu kept his rank

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[WAKATAKE 2,671]

So we have Papayasu, and now Papakeisho

https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202301230000225.html

Edited January 23, 2023 by WAKATAKE

[Kaninoyama 1,818]

Whenever I hear about huge rikishi and their newborn children, questions always flood my mind. 

[Seiyashi 4,108]

  On 22/01/2023 at 19:01, Akinomaki said:

Never reported, so probably there was none yet. The ceremony is just a party event and isn't what constitutes the marriage, the registration is.

Legally yes, although culturally some places/individuals count from the celebration and traditional rituals rather than from the legal registration. Japan might just be one of them? 

Or any chance he used it as a coded euphemism for the birth of his kid? 

Edited January 23, 2023 by Seiyashi

[Bunbukuchagama 772]

  On 23/01/2023 at 03:11, Kaninoyama said:

Whenever I hear about huge rikishi and their newborn children, questions always flood my mind. 

Nature finds a way. 

[rhyen 1,846]

  On 23/01/2023 at 03:11, Kaninoyama said:

Whenever I hear about huge rikishi and their newborn children, questions always flood my mind. 

 

  On 23/01/2023 at 04:40, Bunbukuchagama said:

Nature finds a way. 

Do we define Nature to include artificial insemination and other reproductive techniques?

[Seiyashi 4,108]

https://hochi.news/articles/20230122-OHT1T51234.html?page=1

Sigh. According to Saitama Sakae's head coach, Takakeishō reinjured his neck against Kotonowaka, bad enough to cause kyūjō. But that means he's going to have some injury downtime and might not be in shape for Haru. 

[Bombur 50]

  On 22/01/2023 at 19:01, Akinomaki said:

Never reported, so probably there was none yet. The ceremony is just a party event and isn't what constitutes the marriage, the registration is.

Nowadays, officially, for the law, yes, but many people still retain and remember the date of the ceremony and party as their actual wedding, if they are to happen on different days.

[Akinomaki 40,804]

  On 23/01/2023 at 04:00, Seiyashi said:

Legally yes, although culturally some places/individuals count from the celebration and traditional rituals rather than from the legal registration. Japan might just be one of them? 

Not just legally, Japan is a place where the individuals (and the family) decide on the marriage and just tell it to the officials, so basically they married before the registration. Some people still have a proper Shintoist marriage ritual, but mainly it's now just a show part at the party, without real significance. Many rikishi have a hirouen party years after they married, with the  children at the event.

[Akinomaki 40,804]

A Saitama Sakae final this basho, Takakeisho vs. sumo club kohai Kotoshoho. At present 13 active sekitori are from Saitama Sakae (many more below), the club has produced 26 sekitori so far. o

This basho had a real yusho parade again, not just a photo shoot in the car.

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[nagora 88]

  On 23/01/2023 at 03:11, Kaninoyama said:

Whenever I hear about huge rikishi and their newborn children, questions always flood my mind. 

The Kama Sutra has an entire section about what to do in these situations (I kid you not).

[Koorifuu 1,020]

  On 23/01/2023 at 03:11, Kaninoyama said:

Whenever I hear about huge rikishi and their newborn children, questions always flood my mind. 

I think this is a bit like when okamisan try to find an appropriate place for new beya, y'know? As in, they do all the work.

[Bunbukuchagama 772]

  On 23/01/2023 at 05:55, rhyen said:

 

Do we define Nature to include artificial insemination and other reproductive techniques?

Nature works in mysterious ways.

[hakutorizakura 643]

  On 23/01/2023 at 10:18, Seiyashi said:

https://hochi.news/articles/20230122-OHT1T51234.html?page=1

Sigh. According to Saitama Sakae's head coach, Takakeishō reinjured his neck against Kotonowaka, bad enough to cause kyūjō. But that means he's going to have some injury downtime and might not be in shape for Haru. 

Wait. So he was fighting with a hurting neck for the next 4 days? He did pretty well regardless.

[Wakawakawaka 160]

Congratulations to Takakeisho! Glad to see him take the yusho. Nobody else was really having a standout basho (don't get me wrong, Kotoshoho, Onosho, Kiribayama were definitely having good, but not great, tournaments) so he showed why he was the top ranker. Very cool to see him win it by a sukuinage of all things. He's been looking quite inspired the past 2 tournaments.

[Suwihuto 133]

  On 23/01/2023 at 03:11, Kaninoyama said:

Whenever I hear about huge rikishi and their newborn children, questions always flood my mind. 

I seem to remember hearing/seeing an interview with a rikishi asking this sort of question (it may have been on Channel 4 in the UK, but it may have been in some other sort of programme which featured sumo, as this doesn't seem an entirely appropriate topic of conversation), and the answer just said something about taking the weight with the arms.

As an aside, since we've descended into the mawashi, do they wear anything under the mawashi, like a fundoshi perchance?

[Bunbukuchagama 772]

  On 23/01/2023 at 19:09, Suwihuto said:

since we've descended into the mawashi

...And so our intrepid explorers descended into the dark depths of the mawashi. What awaits them there, what terrifying and wondrous sights?

[Jakusotsu 6,050]

  On 23/01/2023 at 21:30, Bunbukuchagama said:

...And so our intrepid explorers descended into the dark depths of the mawashi. What awaits them there, what terrifying and wondrous sights?

I just wish abema's cameramen would choose a more dignified angle when shooting Tsurugisho at the pre-bout rituals.

[Bunbukuchagama 772]

  On 23/01/2023 at 22:50, Jakusotsu said:

I just wish abema's cameramen would choose a more dignified angle when shooting Tsurugisho at the pre-bout rituals.

Was the view appropriately terrifying and wondrous?

[Seiyashi 4,108]

  On 23/01/2023 at 17:34, hakutorizakura said:

Wait. So he was fighting with a hurting neck for the next 4 days? He did pretty well regardless.

Hence the quote that he was "a true professional". I hope for his sake that that decision doesn't professionally screw him out of the rope permanently. 

On the bright side, having nage techniques means he can slowly adapt his tachiai to prevent recurrences of that kind of injury. 

Edited January 24, 2023 by Seiyashi

[RabidJohn 1,855]

I've only just seen the English translation version of Kotoshoho's sansho interview, in which he said he's realised the importance of mental attitude.

If that's what's been holding him back and he's got his head in the right place now, we may finally see his true potential.

[Akinomaki 40,804]

  On 23/01/2023 at 11:09, Akinomaki said:

This basho had a real yusho parade again, not just a photo shoot in the car.

But not a proper parade, faked again, though a bit extended - at the only photo shoot one at least the proper car was used

  On 24/01/2023 at 16:08, Akinomaki said:

The parade, not as in the past till the heya: around the kokugikan to the parking lot for yokozuna/ozeki, where he switches cars - and not in the proper Mercedes but a Toyota