Asashosakari

Banzuke for Hatsu 2023

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Asashosakari    19,664

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https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBanzuke/index/

Makuuchi

Terunofuji    Y    ---
---           O    Takakeisho
Wakatakakage  S    Hoshoryu
Takayasu      S    Shodai
Kiribayama    K    Kotonowaka
Meisei        K    Wakamotoharu

Tobizaru      M1   Daieisho
Mitakeumi     M2   Tamawashi
Abi           M3   Midorifuji
Nishikifuji   M4   Sadanoumi
Ryuden        M5   Nishikigi
Hokutofuji    M6   Myogiryu
Ichinojo      M7   Ura
Onosho        M8   Oho
Takanosho     M9   Endo
Aoiyama       M10  Hiradoumi
Chiyoshoma    M11  Tochinoshin
Kagayaki      M12  Okinoumi
Kotoshoho     M13  Kotoeko
Ichiyamamoto  M14  Azumaryu
Tsurugisho    M15  Mitoryu
Takarafuji    M16  Chiyomaru


Customary comment that I still find this style of placing the sekiwake nonsensical.

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Asashosakari    19,664

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Juryo

Akua          J1   Bushozan
Hokuseiho     J2   Daiamami
Atamifuji     J3   Oshoma
Tohakuryu     J4   Enho
Kinbozan      J5   Kotokuzan
Churanoumi    J6   Daishoho
Chiyonokuni   J7   Tochimusashi
Shimanoumi    J8   Kitanowaka
Roga          J9   Hidenoumi
Gonoyama      J10  Terutsuyoshi
Chiyosakae    J11  Shimazuumi
Takakento     J12  Asanoyama
Shonannoumi   J13  Kaisho
Tsushimanada  J14  Hakuyozan
 

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Asashosakari    19,664

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Makushita-joi

Tamashoho     Ms1   Ishizaki
Tomokaze      Ms2   Tokushoryu
Chiyonoo      Ms3   Tochikamiyama
Shiden        Ms4   Kamito
Tsukahara     Ms5   Fujiseiun
Dewanoryu     Ms6   Tokihayate
Kawazoe       Ms7   Chiyonoumi
Tochiseiryu   Ms8   Tanabe
Chiyoarashi   Ms9   Tochikodai
Otsuji        Ms10  Daiseiryu
Yago          Ms11  Tochimaru
Daishomaru    Ms12  Yuma
Akiseyama     Ms13  Mukainakano
Chiyotora     Ms14  Asonoyama
Setonoumi     Ms15  Yoshii
 

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Kintamayama    45,530

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Well, at least I got the 4K/4S thing right.. Not in the correct positions, but still.. And the rest was crap as usual.

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Asashosakari    19,664

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Makushita

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Sandanme

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Jonidan

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Jonokuchi

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(New shikona in red.)

 

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Yubinhaad    11,761

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A magnificent seven shikona changes on this banzuke, all of the rikishi are changing from their family names.

The most notable change is courtesy of Kise-oyakata (former Maegashira Higonoumi), who has bestowed his own shikona on his deshi Inoue, a fellow Kumamoto native. The new Higonoumi also changes the given name.

A pair of changes from Fujishima-beya, where Suzuki is now Fujinoyama and Shinohara is now Tendozan.

Two changes also in Nishonoseki-beya - Takeoka is now Kirinryu, the first two kanji are a throwback to the old Nishonoseki-beya which was home to former Ozeki Daikirin and former Sekiwake Kirinji. Meanwhile, Nishihara is now Amao, honouring his home city of Amagasaki, and also makes a given name change.

Over in Hanaregoma-beya, November recruit Toriyama makes his banzuke debut as Kitanosho, presumably taken from a ruined castle of the same name which is found in his home city of Fukui.

Lastly to Musashigawa-beya where Wayama is now Hayanami.

Ms32w Inoue Tomohiro > Higonoumi Taro (肥後ノ海　太郎,  ひごのうみ　たろう)
Ms43e Suzuki > Fujinoyama (富士の山,  ふじのやま)
Sd14w Wayama > Hayanami (早南嶺,  はやなみ)
Sd27e Takeoka > Kirinryu (麒麟龍,  きりんりゅう)
Sd37w Shinohara > Tendozan (天道山,  てんどうざん)
Sd89e Nishihara Takato > Amao Takeshi (尼王　猛獅,  あまおう　たけし)
Jk14w Toriyama > Kitanosho (北乃庄,  きたのしょう)



There are also two name changes among the gyoji ranks. I expected Kimura Ryosuke to switch from his real given name to mark his Juryo promotion on this banzuke. However I'm quite surprised by the change of both names for Shikimori Tomotaro.

Kimura Ryosuke > Kimura Kozaburo (木村　幸三郎,  きむら　こうざぶろう)

Shikimori Tomotaro > Kimura Katsunosuke (木村　勝之介,  きむら　かつのすけ)

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Koorifuu    1,020

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  On 25/12/2022 at 21:04, Asashosakari said:


Customary comment that I still find this style of placing the sekiwake nonsensical.

As in you believe it should be like ozeki, where they're ordered by their results on the previous basho? It feels like they're treating sekiwake, first and foremost, the same as toriteki. Nobody gets a demotion with a KK. A KK sekiwake will NOT fall down the order.

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Tochinofuji    387

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I have zero skills with the DB, and doubt this would even be catalogued in a searchable manner, but anyone know when the last time we had a set of brothers together in the junior sanyaku ranks? Am I correct to assume Takahanada/Wakahanada? 

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Kintamayama    45,530

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605 rikishi on the banzuke, one less than in Kyushu. 44 heyas. Kokonoe beya with the most rikishi for the 6th straight basho with 26, followed by Sadogatake with 25,  Takasago with 24, Kise with 22,  Tamanoi and Hakkaku with 21,  5 heyas tied for 7th place with 19: Sakaigawa, Dewanoumi, Takadagawa, Miyagino and Tatsunami, then Isegahama and Oitekaze with 18. These last two are also tied for the most sekitori (6, both with 4 Makuuchi and 2 Juryo, which means that a third of their rikishi are sekitori..). Tokiwayama beya can also boast that a  third of their rikishi are sekitori, 3 of 9.  Nishikido has 100 % sekitori, as the only rikishi there is Mitoryuu.. Then it's Kasugano, Shikihide and Tokitsukaze with 17 rikishi each, followed by Musashigawa and Nishonoseki with 16, and Naruto with 15. Least rikishi - Nishikido and the newly established Ajigawa with one each, Kataonami with 4, Takekuma and Oshiogawa with 6, 13 heya in all have one-digit sekitori. 

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Asashosakari    19,664

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  On 25/12/2022 at 22:41, Koorifuu said:

As in you believe it should be like ozeki, where they're ordered by their results on the previous basho? It feels like they're treating sekiwake, first and foremost, the same as toriteki. Nobody gets a demotion with a KK. A KK sekiwake will NOT fall down the order.

Unfortunately, inconsistency is the name of the game, as usual. Anyway, this change of approach only dates back to 2014. It remains a rather odd thing to put their foot down on and go against decades of previous decisions that (to my knowledge) nobody had ever raised any issues with.
 

  On 25/12/2022 at 23:38, Tochinofuji said:

I have zero skills with the DB, and doubt this would even be catalogued in a searchable manner, but anyone know when the last time we had a set of brothers together in the junior sanyaku ranks? Am I correct to assume Takahanada/Wakahanada? 

It's been deemed important enough that it appears in the official Banzuke Topics (not up in English yet).

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Previous pairs of brothers who reached sanyaku (order: older / younger):

Wakanohana (sanyaku debut 1951.09) / Takanohana (1970.09), no concurrent time in lower sanyaku
Sakahoko (1984.07) / Terao (1989.03), concurrent in 1989.03 and 1990.11
Wakahanada (1991.11) / Takahanada (1991.07), concurrent in 1992.03

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Tochinofuji    387

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  On 26/12/2022 at 00:03, Asashosakari said:

Unfortunately, inconsistency is the name of the game, as usual. Anyway, this change of approach only dates back to 2014. It remains a rather odd thing to put their foot down on and go against decades of previous decisions that (to my knowledge) nobody had ever raised any issues with.
 

It's been deemed important enough that it appears in the official Banzuke Topics (not up in English yet).

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Previous pairs of brothers who reached sanyaku (order: older / younger):

Wakanohana (sanyaku debut 1951.09) / Takanohana (1970.09), no concurrent time in lower sanyaku
Sakahoko (1984.07) / Terao (1989.03), concurrent in 1989.03 and 1990.11
Wakahanada (1991.11) / Takahanada (1991.07), concurrent in 1992.03

Thank you! Clearly I need to check out the Banzuke Topics page more often, as that is very helpful. Much appreciated! 

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Chijanofuji    113

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First time ever having both 4 Sekiwake and 4 Komusubi on a banzuke?

I believe it is. Can someone double-check?

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Chijanofuji    113

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  On 26/12/2022 at 12:19, Akinomaki said:

The last time was Natsu 1962 https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2022/12/26/kiji/20221225s00005000657000c.html

Thanks! I overlooked that one in my quick sweep across the banzuke in the sumo database because of all the sanyaku rikishi listed at HD Sekiwake and HD Komusubi!

But, in combination with there also only being only one Yokozuna and one Ozeki on the banzuke it must be a unique banzuke, right? ;-)

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Akinomaki    40,791

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Haru 1898, the banzuke from 125 years ago with 1 yokozuna and one ozeki o

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Then the yokozuna as ozeki-(small below: yokozuna)

This time, Terunofuji marked as big yokozuna-smaller ozeki (right to left) o

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makuuchi

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  On 26/12/2022 at 12:39, Akinomaki said:

Haru 1898, the banzuke from 125 years ago with 1 yokozuna and one ozeki

Beautiful!

But that banzuke only has 2 Sekiwake and 3 Komusubi and not 4 of both, right? ;-)

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Akinomaki    40,791

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  On 26/12/2022 at 12:48, Chijanofuji said:
  On 26/12/2022 at 12:39, Akinomaki said:

Haru 1898, the banzuke from 125 years ago with 1 yokozuna and one ozeki

Beautiful!

But that banzuke only has 2 Sekiwake and 3 Komusubi and not 4 of both, right

Only 8 years after the yokozuna first appeared on the banzuke, with 2 basho a year, so not many possibilities for a banzuke like this time. Not even another occurrence of one yokozuna and one ozeki before the 2 basho then, the other Natsu 1897 - and no mention of a 3rd time 4s-4k in the 64 years between.

Another fact: Kotonowaka I&II are the 6th time that father and son made it to sanyaku http://www.daily.co.jp/general/2022/12/26/0015920746.shtml

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Akinomaki    40,791

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  On 26/12/2022 at 13:02, Akinomaki said:

Another fact: Kotonowaka I&II are the 6th time that father and son made it to sanyaku

As grandson of Kotozakura in 3rd generation to sanyaku is a first, but it's not in direct father-son line - Oho will go for the next occurrence

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Seiyashi    4,108

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  On 26/12/2022 at 21:56, Akinomaki said:

As grandson of Kotozakura in 3rd generation to sanyaku is a first, but it's not in direct father-son line - Oho will go for the next occurrence

Although Ōhō is also not descended from Taihō in the direct male line, right? 

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  On 27/12/2022 at 02:43, Seiyashi said:

Although Ōhō is also not descended from Taihō in the direct male line, right? 

No; I believe Takatoriki married Taiho's daughter.

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Basically we have yet to get three generations in the direct male line in sanyaku. In fact I don't think it's happened for makuuchi yet either, right? At most maybe the best chances are the Onami brothers or Kurohimeyama's family, but I seem to recall at least some of them failed to make it to makuuchi. 

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Asashosakari    19,664

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Not even for juryo. Banzuke topics Hatsu 2021 for Oho's sekitori debut:

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Nobody appearing as both son and father yet.

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Akinomaki    40,791

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  On 25/12/2022 at 22:33, Yubinhaad said:

Over in Hanaregoma-beya, November recruit Toriyama makes his banzuke debut as Kitanosho, presumably taken from a ruined castle of the same name which is found in his home city of Fukui.

Confirmed, the shikona was decided by conferring with the shisho and the other deshi. Shibata Katsuie built Kitanosho castle 北ノ庄城 - Kitanosho added the 乃no from the shisho's Tamanoshima 玉乃島. This shikona marks him as representative of Fukui - Fukui shimbun will surely follow his progress.

http://www.fukuishimbun.co.jp/articles/-/1696949

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Akinomaki    40,791

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Banzuke day pics - the 2 new komusubi :

Kotonowaka - dad wants him to graduate soon from Kotonowaka: the change to Kotozakura is planned for ozeki promotion from the start

  On 07/10/2015 at 13:19, Akinomaki said:

Kamatani, starting as Kotokamatani. Maybe on juryo promotion, maybe earlier he'll become Kotonowaka II, if he makes it to ozeki Kotozakura II, the oyakata has reserved these 2 names for him.

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Wakamotoharu - alone

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Abi without banzuke, just interviewed

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He's back to maegashira, but the traditional local pics of Mitakeumi pointing (wrong) at the banzuke don't return

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