Natsu 2023 discussion (results)

[Reonito 1,470]

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

If he lasts till day 15. Would a 1-14 leave him in Juryo? 2-13?

He should definitely be safe at 2-13. 1-14 would place him on the bubble, so it would depend on the number of other openings (at least two already due to the retirements) and the strength of the promotion cases in Ms. 

[Koorifuu 1,003]

29 minutes ago, Kotomiyama said:

A message to Tsurugisho: In Spanish there is a saying more or less like this: "Steal from a thief and you'll get 100 years of pardon". Yours start today.

Oh, that saying is also a thing across your western border, albeit with different spelling... And it rhymes!
Ladrão que rouba ladrão tem cem anos de perdão.

22 minutes ago, Reonito said:

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

If he lasts till day 15. Would a 1-14 leave him in Juryo? 2-13?

He should definitely be safe at 2-13. 1-14 would place him on the bubble, so it would depend on the number of other openings (at least two already due to the retirements) and the strength of the promotion cases in Ms. 

That'd be an unprecedented situation. Across the last 30 years, there's only been one J3 w/ 1 win, and one J3 w/ 2 wins! And both involved intai. This is rather unique.

In 2020: Kotoshogiku was 1-6 while J3, then intai.
In 2007: Tochinohana actually survived with a 2-13, slotting into J14w... But retired halfway through that one, after getting his 8th loss.

Obviously early to have a clear idea on the makushita candidates, but both ms1 are 3-1 (even if one of them is one-legged)... one ms2 is 4-0... and a ms13 is still undefeated... and that's it, unless someone from ms3-5 goes on a winning spree.
With two of those going into the retirees' spots and a bunch of juryo people on arguably more perilous positions, it's looking very thin & good for Enho.

Edited May 21, 2023 by Koorifuu

[Asapedroryu 235]

12 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Today's NHK broadcast was superb. Truly surprisingly captivating. They had Mr. Imada from the Dosukoi TV show and Miyagino as guests and concentrated on the tachiai from many aspects,. They asked all the rikishi how important they thought the tachiai was etc., and before every bout showed their answers. They measured the force of each bout's tachiai- the most forceful was between Kagayaki and Daishouhou. They measured speed and Chiyoshouma was the quickest. You know, stuff like that. Then they outdid themselves by interviewing some rikishi (not kachikoshi, not upsets)- just asking them questions right after their matches, asking what went through their heads, Midorifuji, Hiradoumi, etc. It was great. Among other things, they asked the rikishi where they look during their shikiri. Some said at their opponent, some said they are concentrated on their routine. Shoudai? Looks at the crowd.. Everyone was laughing as he seemed to be looking all over the place today as well. A lot of cool graphics, really, really surprisingly outside the box, and very interesting to boot. Miyagino telling some funny stories and analyzing the tachiai moves of the rikishi. Way to go, NHK!! Hopefully, this isn't a one-off thing- the broadcasts have been relatively the same since the sixties.. It's about time they brought in some up to date stuff without hurting the traditional feeling. Just like today.

 

Apologies for the rambling, but when kudos are due, you due it..

And at the same time NHK World (at least in Spain) stoped showing the Sunday's Live Sumo and the end of day highlights since Day 1. Well done once again in bringing Sumo to foreign people, even for people like me that actually pay to have their channel in the TV package.

Dosukoi TV is actually very interesting. Managed to catch an episode last week with Kisenosato where they were discussing all sort of stats about playoff matches. A must watch for stats-nerds

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,275]

Really good sumo today. Ounoshou's movement was really superb.

[WAKATAKE 2,660]

37 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

Oh, that saying is also a thing across your western border, albeit with different spelling... And it rhymes!
Ladrão que rouba ladrão tem cem anos de perdão.

That'd be an unprecedented situation. Across the last 30 years, there's only been one J3 w/ 1 win, and one J3 w/ 2 wins! And both involved intai. This is rather unique.

In 2020: Kotoshogiku was 1-6 while J3, then intai.
In 2007: Tochinohana actually survived with a 2-13, slotting into J14w... But retired halfway through that one, after getting his 8th loss.

Obviously early to have a clear idea on the makushita candidates, but both ms1 are 3-1 (even if one of them is one-legged)... one ms2 is 4-0... and a ms13 is still undefeated... and that's it, unless someone from ms3-5 goes on a winning spree.
With two of those going into the retirees' spots and a bunch of juryo people on arguably more perilous positions, it's looking very thin & good for Enho.

This is very true. Right now Tsushimanada and Chiyonokuni are in more precarious spots than Enho, who is all the way at J3. The aforementioned Tsushimanada benefited from a 4-11 at J9 to save his likely short lived salary

[Reonito 1,470]

27 minutes ago, WAKATAKE said:

This is very true. Right now Tsushimanada and Chiyonokuni are in more precarious spots than Enho, who is all the way at J3. The aforementioned Tsushimanada benefited from a 4-11 at J9 to save his likely short lived salary

At the moment, I have 10 wrestlers ahead of Enho in the demotion queue by the numbers (although some of them have wrestled quite a bit better and so are more likely to improve their position), plus the two retirees of course.

[Akinomaki 40,622]

13 hours ago, rhyen said:

We have been posting bilibili videos of it since it’s inception in the sumo programs section. @Akinomaki: have we found the latest episode yet?

The one who posts this on Bilibili only did so with part 1, maybe hasn't noticed that there was a double episode that day. NHK world on demand takes some time till the English version of the episodes appear there. Katazukashi is from March 11th and broadcast there on April 29th. (original episodes: https://www.nhk.jp/p/dosuken/ts/G9W71XY6L3/list/?pastOffset=20)

Edit: also the video of day 8 highlights is still not on the list https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/ondemand/tag/sumo/?type=tvEpisode&

Edited May 22, 2023 by Akinomaki

[rhyen 1,842]

2 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

The one who posts this on Bilibili only did so with part 1, maybe hasn't noticed that there was a double episode that day. NHK world on demand takes some time till the English version of the episodes appear there. Katazukashi is from March 11th and broadcast there on April 29th. (original episodes: https://www.nhk.jp/p/dosuken/ts/G9W71XY6L3/list/?pastOffset=20)

Edit: also the video of day 8 highlights is still not on the list https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/ondemand/tag/sumo/?type=tvEpisode&

The day 8 highlights should be formatted to exclude the long format contents. 

[rhyen 1,842]

Can anyone get ahold of Yamenosato - Hamadayama match, the dawara tiptoe escape mid bout is worth a Kintayama tiktok video.

[Bunbukuchagama 732]

YESSSSSS!!!!!

[rhyen 1,842]

Miyagi beat Dewanoryu with a zubuneri. 

[rhyen 1,842]

Shiden gets his Juryo re-promotion. 
Ochiai can use force manoeuvre on Hidenoumi.

Edited May 22, 2023 by rhyen

[Kaninoyama 1,797]

Tochinoshin will be guest commentator on today's NHK broadcast. 

[Faustonowaka 130]

See the zabuton fly

[Chartorenji 237]

A great strategy from Meisei get's him the Kinboshi! First career Kinboshi

[Kaninoyama 1,797]

Tomorrow's heads up torikumi between basho leaders (along with Terunofuji) Meisei & Hokuseiho should be a good one.

[Seregost 132]

Meisei is truly Terunofuji's kryptonite. He's so aggressive against him, never stays in the same place, changes angles continually, and Terunofuji has no clue

[Koorifuu 1,003]

Takahashi and Ryuo losing and definitely out of the race, Kawazoe's ankle getting kicked... It's looking even better for the juryo bubblees.

[dingo 1,265]

Things are getting interesting in the yusho arasoi. Every leading and chasing rikishi seems like they might drop one or two more losses so it's quite unpredictable, just the way I like it to keep the suspense up. 

Asanoyama had a surprisingly tough time against Ryuden. Maybe he was just being extra careful after yesterday's loss, or simply Ryuden put up more resistance than usual. 

[Tigerboy1966 1,449]

There was a person in the crowd today with a Chiyoshoma banner. That's two of us I suppose. At this rate we might need need to use all four seats of the Kia Picanto for next year's fan club outing.

[Reonito 1,470]

12 hours ago, rhyen said:

Miyagi beat Dewanoryu with a zubuneri. 

It almost looked like an izori.

[Reonito 1,470]

4 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

Takahashi and Ryuo losing and definitely out of the race, Kawazoe's ankle getting kicked... It's looking even better for the juryo bubblees.

Yuma's move was straight out of the Karate Kid "sweep the leg, no mercy" school.

[Suwihuto 125]

Feels like a proper tournament for the first time in a while. Maybe it's just the flying zabuton making me happy.

[Katooshu 3,251]

Kinbo's greenness showing at this rank vs good yotsu opponents. When an opponent gets a hold of him and he can't get an inside grip with either hand straight away he panics, flailing, going upright, and reaching over the top to try to get outside grips, resulting in him giving up a morozashi and having no leverage to resist effectively. Exact same thing vs Sadanoumi and Nishikifuji.

Edited May 22, 2023 by Katooshu

[Reonito 1,470]

2 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Kinbo's greenness showing at this rank. When an opponent gets a hold of him and he can't get an inside grip with either hand straight away he panics, flailing, going upright, and reaching over the top to try to get outside grips, resulting in him giving up a morozashi and having no leverage to resist effectively. Exact same thing vs Sadanoumi and Nishikifuji.

I feel like he's primarily an oshi guy and he hasn't tried to dictate that enough. He has enough yotsu skills to have gotten away with grappling when lower on the banzuke, but not at this level (yet).