Jejima 1,314 Posted February 3 (edited) Hi all, For a bit of inter-basho fun (and partly based on the poll for replacing 'Guess Kisenosato's Aite' target), I am going to try something new. If this works, I'll try to remember to do it every year based on the January torikumi. Basically all 70 rikishi that feature on the January banzuke will be put into a knockout competition (draw being made after each round), until we have a 'winner'. I did consider putting some non-sekitori (such as Wakatakakage) into the mix, but decided that would be too subjective - especially if this experiment is repeated in future years. There needs to be some hard-and-fast cut-off, and the bottom of Juryo is a good place. Due to the way that the polls are set up here at sumo forum, there are limitations to the number of possible rounds per 'poll'. I considered making the questions a little more complicated or using Survey Monkey, but that makes things 'messy'. So keeping it simple, I intend to post one poll per day with a 24 hour window for votes, with three 'matches' per poll. This means it will take about a month or so, of daily polls, until we find the 'most popular rikishi of 2024 on sumo forum'. I will make this poll anonymous (please don't rig it - I'm sure, if asked, the moderators can look into anything suspicious. CONFIRMED. Moderators have superpowers and can see who voted. So, they can easily check if there are any unusual voters.) - but feel free to make your own comments in the comments section - even canvassing support for your favourite rikishi, if you so wish. I won't announce the matches in advance (just keep them secret on my computer), to make every poll new and exciting. I also won't vote, unless needed to, in order to break a tied result. Of course, with 70 rikishi, there will need to be 58 byes of sekitori through to the round of 64 (the triacontakafinals), with the remaining 12 'fighting' to join them in that round. That means that the first two polls will be to decide which 6 rikishi will join that round. Okay, all January 2024 sekitori put into the randomiser, and the top 58 getting first round byes are..... 1. Shonannoumi 2. Tochimusashi 3. Takarafuji 4. Terunofuji 5. Roga 6. Hoshoryu 7. Kirishima 8. Aoiyama 9. Tokihayate 10. Atamifuji 11. Meisei 12. Chiyoshoma 13. Tamashoho 14. Ryuden 15. Myogiryu 16. Kinbozan 17. Mitoryu 18. Oshoumi 19. Kotoeko 20. Ichiyamamoto 21. Wakamotoharu 22. Takerufuji 23. Takayasu 24. Hokuseiho 25. Endo 26. Daishoho 27. Tenshoho 28. Mitakeumi 29. Tamawashi 30. Tobizaru 31. Shodai 32. Shiden 33. Gonoyama 34. Midorifuji 35. Kitanowaka 36. Bushozan 37. Daiamami 38. Oho 39. Tomokaze 40. Takanosho 41. Abi 42. Hakuyozan 43. Nishikifuji 44. Asakoryu 45. Tsurugisho 46. Onosho 47. Hiradoumi 48. Hidenoumi 49. Hokutofuji 50. Yuma 51. Kotonowaka 52. Oshoma 53. Tohakuryu 54. Asanoyama 55. Sadanoumi 56. Shimanoumi 57. Chiyomaru 58. Onosato I can tell you that (in my opinion), some big names remain in the twelve that did not get a bye, so we could have some interesting match-ups straight away. The first 'proper' knock-out poll will be following this one very soon. Edited February 4 by Jejima 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 522 Posted February 4 If it's not too much work, a link from each poll to this post (and tallies here) would help people to follow along Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,314 Posted February 4 8 hours ago, Yarimotsu said: If it's not too much work, a link from each poll to this post (and tallies here) would help people to follow along Great idea. I am currently planning to do a round-up poll / post in between each round, to update the situation, but a centralised link with all information would be excellent, which would make sense to be here (I might need to change the title of this thread). I am rather busy in real life (and about 3 months behind schedule in another of my 'fun' non-work, non-family responsibilities), so I am not sure that I would have time to do the round-up justice. But all the information is here, so anybody who does have a little spare time (@Yarimotsu perhaps? ) could do it. I can do the update (here) for the qualifiers, to show how I think it might look, but of course I would be interested to hear from others about how it could be improved - and would be very happy for someone else to take over any update duties. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,314 Posted February 4 (edited) Qualifiers Update: Part 1: (19 voters) M5W Nishikigi (63.16%) defeated O2W Takakeisho (36.84%) M14E Kotoshoho (68.42%) defeated J14E Chiyosakae (31.58%) K1W Ura (73.68%) defeated M17E Shimazuumi (26.32%) Knocked out in qualifiers: O2W Takakeisho M17E Shimazuumi J14E Chiyosakae Through to the triacontakafinals: K1W Ura M5W Nishikigi M14E Kotoshoho Edited February 9 by Jejima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,337 Posted February 4 6 hours ago, Jejima said: M5W Nishikigi (63.16%) defeated O2W Takakeisho (36.84%) This is quite the upset! Imagine having this matchup a couple of years ago. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wakawakawaka 137 Posted February 4 I'm sure part of it depends on what factors people take into consideration for 'favorite'. For me, 1) 'brand of sumo', 2) 'fighting spirit', and 3) personality are how I'd break it down. I voted Takakeisho because I gave him the edge in categories 1 and 2, however on personality Nishikigi gets the edge, both because I like his (he seems like an easy-going guy), and dislike Takakeisho's (seems like he could be a jerk). That being said I could see why someone would vote for Nishikigi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,314 Posted February 5 (edited) Qualifiers update Part 2 (15 voters) J7W Shishi (66.67%) defeated J7E Kagayaki (33.33%) J6W Shirokuma (60%) defeated M13E Churanoumi (40%) S1W Daieisho (80%) defeated J11E Akua (20%) Knocked out in qualifiers: O2W Takakeisho M13E Churanoumi M17E Shimazuumi J7E Kagayaki J11E Akua J14E Chiyosakae Through to the triacontakafinals: Makuuchi Terunofuji Y Kirishima O Hoshoryu O Takakeisho Kotonowaka S Daieisho Takayasu K Ura Wakamotoharu M1 Atamifuji Midorifuji M2 Abi Gonoyama M3 Hokutofuji Tobizaru M4 Shodai Ryuden M5 Nishikigi Kinbozan M6 Shonannoumi Ichiyamamoto M7 Asanoyama Hokuseiho M8 Hiradoumi Mitakeumi M9 Meisei Tamawashi M10 Sadanoumi Tsurugisho M11 Oho Takanosho M12 Myogiryu Churanoumi M13 Endo Kotoshoho M14 Onosho Tomokaze M15 Onosato Takarafuji M16 Bushozan Shimazuumi M17 Aoiyama Juryo Daiamami J1 Mitoryu Nishikifuji J2 Tohakuryu Roga J3 Kitanowaka Tamashoho J4 Kotoeko Chiyoshoma J5 Oshoma Tokihayate J6 Shirokuma Kagayaki J7 Shishi Shimanoumi J8 Shiden Asakoryu J9 Daishoho Takerufuji J10 Hakuyozan Akua J11 Hidenoumi Chiyomaru J12 Tenshoho Yuma J13 Oshoumi Chiyosakae J14 Tochimusashi Edited February 9 by Jejima 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,314 Posted February 5 (edited) The names are on the wheel are ready for the triacontakafinals. I'll only do the draw daily - so I won't know any future match-ups, because they have not been decided, yet. Edited February 9 by Jejima 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,314 Posted February 6 (edited) Tricontakafinals Update: Part 1: (16 voters) M13W Endo (68.75%) defeated M16W Bushozan (31.25%) M4W Shodai (62.5%) defeated J12W Tenshoho (37.5%) M4E Tobizaru (87.5%) defeated M14E Kotoshoho (12.5%) Knocked out in Tricontakafinals: M14E Kotoshoho M16W Bushozan J12W Tenshoho Through to the Hexadecafinals: M4E Tobizaru M4W Shodai M13W Endo Edited February 21 by Jejima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,375 Posted February 6 Reminds me somewhat of the "Who would you rather have dinner with " poll I did many, many years ago.. Akebono won it, IIRC.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,816 Posted February 6 (edited) 1 minute ago, Kintamayama said: "Who would you rather have dinner with " mini-Enho Edited February 6 by Jakusotsu even better! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,375 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said: mini-Enho Definitely Atamifuji. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,816 Posted February 6 You're right. Eating your fill is overrated anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,314 Posted February 7 (edited) Tricontakafinals Update: Part 2: (18 voters) K1E Takayasu (77.78%) defeated M5W Nishikigi (22.22%) Y1E Terunofuji (77.78%) defeated M6W Shonannoumi (22.22%) S1E Kotonowaka (88.89%) defeated J6E Tokihayate (11.11%) Knocked out in Tricontakafinals: M5W Nishikigi M6W Shonannoumi M14E Kotoshoho M16W Bushozan J6E Tokihayate J12W Tenshoho Through to the Hexadecafinals: Y1E Terunofuji S1E Kotonowaka K1E Takayasu M4E Tobizaru M4W Shodai M13W Endo Edited February 21 by Jejima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 3,924 Posted February 8 (edited) Triaconta is a prefix meaning 30, not 32. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeral_prefix doesn't have a 32, but if you're set on using triaconta, it looks like the analogous one for 32 judging for what they give for 22 would be triacontadyo-. A potential problem with this is that the first few names for rounds (semi- and quarter-) are for fractions (1/2, 1/4), while this is ordinal (32), but it looks like when using Greek prefixes you can use ordinals for fractions too. Edited February 8 by Gurowake 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,314 Posted February 8 5 minutes ago, Gurowake said: Triaconta is a prefix meaning 30, not 32. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeral_prefix doesn't have a 32, but if you're set on using triaconta, it looks like the analogous one for 32 judging for what they give for 22 would be triacontadyo-. A potential problem with this is that the first few names for rounds (semi- and quarter-) are for fractions (1/2, 1/4), while this is ordinal (32), but it looks like when using Greek prefixes you can use ordinals for fractions too. So, what should it be called? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,314 Posted February 8 (edited) Tricontakafinals Update: Part 3: (17 voters) M2E Midorifuji (100%) defeated J14W Tochimusashi (0%) M17W Aoiyama (70.59%) defeated J8E Shimanoumi (29.41%) M3W Hokutofuji (70.59%%) defeated M10W Sadanoumi (29.41%) Knocked out in Tricontakafinals: M5W Nishikigi M6W Shonannoumi M10W Sadanoumi M14E Kotoshoho M16W Bushozan J6E Tokihayate J8E Shimanoumi J12W Tenshoho J14W Tochimusashi Through to the Hexadecafinals: Y1E Terunofuji S1E Kotonowaka K1E Takayasu M2E Midorifuji M3W Hokutofuji M4E Tobizaru M4W Shodai M13W Endo M17W Aoiyama Edited February 21 by Jejima 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,137 Posted February 8 Sansho for Midori, for his flawless victory 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,816 Posted February 9 What would happen in case of a draw? Randomizer or rematch? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,314 Posted February 9 25 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said: What would happen in case of a draw? Randomizer or rematch? On 03/02/2024 at 09:36, Jejima said: I also won't vote, unless needed to, in order to break a tied result. In the very first post above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,314 Posted February 9 14 hours ago, Jejima said: So, what should it be called? Just realised.... I think that I got it right originally, then copied it wrongly later. It should be triacontakafinals. The ka is important. Thank you for the catch. I'll go back and correct the mistakes later today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,816 Posted February 9 1 hour ago, Jejima said: In the very first post above. Thanks - I was searching for "draw" instead of "tie"...my bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,314 Posted February 9 (edited) Tricontakafinals Update: Part 4: (19 voters) M2W Abi (52.63%) defeated M7E Ichiyamamoto (43.37%) M11E Tsurugisho (68.42%) defeated M8E Hokuseiho (31.58%) M5E Ryuden (52.63%) defeated J1W Mitoryu (43.37%) Knocked out in Tricontakafinals: M5W Nishikigi M6W Shonannoumi M7E Ichiyamamoto M8E Hokuseiho M10W Sadanoumi M14E Kotoshoho M16W Bushozan J1W Mitoryu J6E Tokihayate J8E Shimanoumi J12W Tenshoho J14W Tochimusashi Through to the Hexadecafinals: Y1E Terunofuji S1E Kotonowaka K1E Takayasu M2E Midorifuji M2W Abi M3W Hokutofuji M4E Tobizaru M4W Shodai M5E Ryuden M11E Tsurugisho M13W Endo M17W Aoiyama Edited February 21 by Jejima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,314 Posted February 10 Tricontakafinals Update: Part 5: (15 voters) M9W Meisei (80%) defeated J11W Hidenoumi (20%) J13E Yuma (66.67%) defeated J2W Tohakuryu (33.33%) K1W Ura (86.67%%) defeated J5E Chiyoshoma (13.33%) Knocked out in Tricontakafinals: M5W Nishikigi M6W Shonannoumi M7E Ichiyamamoto M8E Hokuseiho M10W Sadanoumi M14E Kotoshoho M16W Bushozan J1W Mitoryu J2W Tohakuryu J5E Chiyoshoma J6E Tokihayate J8E Shimanoumi J11W Hidenoumi J12W Tenshoho J14W Tochimusashi Through to the Hexadecafinals: Y1E Terunofuji S1E Kotonowaka K1E Takayasu K1W Ura M2E Midorifuji M2W Abi M3W Hokutofuji M4E Tobizaru M4W Shoda M5E Ryuden M9W Meisei M11E Tsurugisho M13W Endo M17W Aoiyama J13E Yuma Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jejima 1,314 Posted February 11 (edited) Tricontakafinals Update: Part 6: (18 voters) M1E Wakamotoharu (66.67%) defeated J12E Chiyomaru (33.33%) J7W Shishi (100%) defeated J10W Hakuyozan (0%) M7W Asanoyama (83.33%%) defeated M12W Myogiryu (16.67%) Knocked out in Tricontakafinals: M5W Nishikigi M6W Shonannoumi M7E Ichiyamamoto M8E Hokuseiho M10W Sadanoumi M12W Myogiryu M14E Kotoshoho M16W Bushozan J1W Mitoryu J2W Tohakuryu J5E Chiyoshoma J6E Tokihayate J8E Shimanoumi J10W Hakuyozan J11W Hidenoumi J12E Chiyomaru J12W Tenshoho J14W Tochimusashi Through to the Hexadecafinals: Y1E Terunofuji S1E Kotonowaka K1E Takayasu K1W Ura M1E Wakamotoharu M2E Midorifuji M2W Abi M3W Hokutofuji M4E Tobizaru M4W Shodai M5E Ryuden M7W Asanoyama M9W Meisei M11E Tsurugisho M13W Endo M17W Aoiyama J7W Shishi J13E Yuma Edited February 21 by Jejima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
