meta GTB results

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

Some results are back from the Aki 1999 GTB (http://sumodb.sumogames.de/gtb/GTBScoreBasho.aspx?b=199909)

In the overall GTB standings Chiyonokitaro finished a bronze-silver-gold run that pushed him to the meta-GTB makushita yusho landing at Ms2w. No juryo yusho was awarded as the top entrants finished 8-7 and 5-10. In fact the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th finishes in GTB had 59, 59, and 58 all representing the Jonidan division in meta GTB, which translated into two 7-0s and a 6-1. Newcomer Muhomatsu claimed a 6-1 Jonokuchi yusho with 57 points, the next couple places also went to Jk and Jd competitors, and finally Doitsuyama's 10-5 (or a 5-2) topped the sandanme leaderboard with 55 GTB points.

Several low ranking contestants finally went intai, or did they switch names? Six new competitors joined Muhomatsu near the bottom of the banzuke, apparently ending a dry spell of GTB recruiting over the previous several basho.

The high water mark on the banzuke inched forward from J8e (formerly Ekigozan) to J6w as Imanonami's 8-7 earned him a generous boost. Hopefully it won't be long until we breach the makuuchi division (I could peek ahead but where's the fun in that).

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

After the GTB festivities were out of the way, the Aki 1999 basho took place from September 12 to September 26, 1999, at the Ryogoku Kokugikan in Tokyo. Yokozuna Musashimaru was back on top with a 12-3 yusho, his third in four attempts and his sixth career title. After returning from three missed basho and competing in two full tournaments, Yokozuna Akebono pulled out again, this time on day 4 after suffering a day 3 loss to Kaio. Akebono would be out for the rest of 1999 with 33 out 105 possible bouts contested in the span of 14 months.

At Y2w Wakanohana returned and competed the last full tournament of his career, starting with a 7-3 record before losing out to finish 7-8 (he only handed out 2 kinboshi to M1 Tamakasuga on day 1 and M4 Kotonowaka on Day 11). From here on out, Wakanohana would only compete in 5 more matches, six months later, before retiring.

At Y2e Takanohana withdrew after losses on the first two days of competition. With 25 wins spread across five basho in 1999, he was clearly not at peak form, but he would still have some gas left in the tank as we'll see in subsequent basho.

Newly promoted Ozeki, and defending yusho winner, Dejima, would score 10 wins in his ozeki debut. He would not secure his KK until day 13, but he won out in the final two matches vs Wakanohana and fellow ozeki Chiyotaikai. Meanwhile ozeki Takanonami, coming off 9 wins and 8 wins in the past two tournaments, would pull out at 3-4-8 and go kadoban for only the third time in 5.5 years.

Further down Miyabiyama finished 10-5 at M5 to get things back on track after consecutive MK records at M2 and M3. Defending Makushita yusho winner Kototamiya would win 5 matches at M1w to join the Juryo ranks 8 months after his Ms60TD debut. Aminishiki earned his 4th consecutive 4-3 record bumping him from Ms2w to Ms1w in what would be his final makushita appearance. Asashoryu, winner of the past two yusho across Jonidan and Sandanme, would win 6 out of 7 at Makushita 53 and enter a convoluted playoff where he defeated Ms28w Saigo in the second round before losing the next two rounds and being eliminated by Saigo in the fourth and final round (at a glance it appears to be a six way where they went into a three way finals and Asashoryu initially had the advantage before losing the championship bout and then losing again when the advantage came back around to Saigo). Further down the standings I am still not seeing any other names that I recognize so I will call that a wrap on the Aki 1999 basho.

 

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

Well it was not much of a chore to fill out the banzuke for meta-GTB at the close of the millennium as a record number of players dropped off (many of the randos who stopped off for one basho in September, but also a few that had been hanging around, including one of the first from Jonidan!) Official results for Kyushu 1999 are hosted at http://sumodb.sumogames.de/gtb/GTBScoreBasho.aspx?b=199911

Ekigozan rallied from the 5-10 to post a 14-1 and make a sufficiently compelling case to land in Makuuchi (the recent Asanoyama precedent was overruled by several past promotions). Imanonami held up his end of the deal with 9-6 to move up to J2w and stay in the race. Chiyonokitaro may have been one of the first to get a lenient 2-5 demotion, landing at Ms10 after winning the prior yusho. And we had strong yusho performances in Makushita and Sandanme to land Yubiquitoyama and Doitsuyama in the top half of the third division.

Yusho was also awarded for a strong Jonidan performance from Seigatakaigai and there was one new player added to the mix but it was Nikkan Sports returning off the scrap heap to claim the bottom division yusho and be reinstated in Jonidan (although I believe this player is not far away from Intai if memory serves).

With the widest rank from top to bottom and one of the smallest rosters this banzuke does feel spread thin a bit more than the others ... hopefully the plot will thicken in the new millennium.

 

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

i'm just going to put a placeholder here for a Kyushu 1999 "real" basho recap since I am eager to move into the next meta GTB

OK Here goes nothing ...

While the world anxiously waited for the Y2K bug to wipe us all out and/or set our clocks to January 1st 19100, the Kyushu 1999 basho took place at the Fukuoka International Center from November 7th, 1999 to November 21, 1999. At Yokozuna 1 East, Musashimaru claimed a second consecutive yusho with a day 15 11-3 vs 11-3 win over Yokozuna Takanohana to end with the only 12-3 record. In fact 11-4 Kaio at Sekiwake 1 east had a claim to 2nd in the pecking order, with a loss to the yusho winner but a day 9 win over the day 15 loser. With a 12-8-9-11 run in his 4 latest basho at Sekiwake, Kaio was ostensibly on a run for Ozeki, although as fate would have it he'd do a full reset win a 7-8 MK in the following tournament before kicking off his successful run.

Elsewhere M1w Miyabiyama, fresh off a 10-5 run at M5e would earn an 8-7 KK in his 5th basho as a Maegashira and set himself up for a sanyaku promotion. Of course this was not only his 5th division 1 basho, but it was his 9th basho since entering the banzuke at Ms60TD.

Returning back to the top row, Wakanohana at Y1w went 0-0-15 following his losses on days 11-15 in Aki. As a reminder, from this point forward he will only win 2 matches before retirement.

Akebono also missed the tournament with 0-0-15 following up his 2-1 record on the dohyo in September. This was his 4th kyujo out of the last 7 (72 matches missed out of 105 in total), but he'll have an impactful run in 2000.

Down in Juryo Kotomitsuki debuted with a 9-6 at J12 following his 23-5 record to run through makushita earlier in the year. A little further down, Aminishiki earned his fifth and final 4-3 KK, this time at Ms1w, to get him out of the lower ranks for pretty much the next 20 years.

Asashoryu, coming off the playoff loss at the finale of the September makushita race, would again finish 6-1, with the sole loss to a rikishi whose career had peaked at Juryo 2 west 4 years prior. Asashoryu's career record at this point stands at 32-3 since entering at Jk34, although he will hit a 3-4 snag in the following basho upon arrival at Ms12. I don't see any other names on the banzuke so I'll wrap it up there.

 

Whoops, no I can't do that. Also a shout out to Musoyama earning a 10-5 KK at Komosubi 1 east which would move him up to Sekiwake 2 in the following basho. Musoyama joined the sport in 1993, won back to back Makushita yusho, got to Sekiwake 14 months after his debut, went 9,9,8,13,7 before dropping out briefly and struggling to get a good run after that (while spending much of the time in sanyaku). In 1999 Musoyama had earned 10-5 at Sekiwake before pulling out of the next basho, going 1-2-12 followed by 0-0-15 which kept him at the same M6e ranking. M6 would prove to be a very short setback, as he earned 11-4 to return to sanyaku where he followed with 8-7 and this 10-5.

Edited March 7, 2024 by Hoshotakamoto

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

Meta GTB has caught the y2K bug, as Hatsu 2000 opens with a 15-0 blowout for M14e Ekigozan moving up to row K for Komusubi 1 west. Let me tell you it was not easy finding a highly relevant precedent for lower maegashira going 15-0, but there was enough evidence that such a scenario would land him smack on the lowest sanyaku rank and that's where he begins. Is this the first leg of an ozeki run? Normally I'd say no but you never know what will happen next (unless you peeked ahead and you know exactly what will happen next - but I don't).

I thought about awarding Imanonami a yusho for 11-4 as the only Juryo competitor but the precedent mostly suggested that I don't do that. Nonetheless he opens at M13w which is a higher ranking than anyone achieved in the 1900s, so the door is open for a lot of possibilities. We also got two new sanyaku with an Ms10 yusho and a 5-2 at Ms3 bringing up Chiyonokitaro and Yubiquitoyama.

6 new players joined and scored 5-10 or worse in the official GTB - Hananotaka is the lone KK entrant at 8-7. I'm putting less and less emphasis on posting the bottom division as this goes along - the fun definitely seems to be up in the top 3 divisions and I'm eager to see more names start to fill out the top as things progress. That said there hasn't been a moment where I've wished that I had just filled this banzuke out from the top down -- these promotions to the top division have definitely been earned and not just distributed willy-nilly.

 

 

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

placeholder for Hatsu 2000 let's goooooooooooo

[Wakawakawaka 154]

Just as a heads up, here are the shikona changes from the Jurassic until the end of 2003.

Basho - Old Shikona > New Shikona

200011	Jasonishiki	Spondinoumi
200011	Kitaseiya	Kotoseiya
200011	Midorishima	Tamanaogijima
200107	Wakatanuki	Itachi
200109	Kurausu	Kura-Uzo
200109	Magunoyama	Maguroyama
200109	Itachi	Wakatanuki
200109	Gebono	Gernobono
200111	Kura-Uzo	Kurausu
200201	Magicdidi	Chiyotokimiya
200201	Kurausu	Sakurai
200203	Purukumi	Kaikitsune
200207	Sakurai	Kurausu
200211	Makususuchi	Zenjimoto
200307	Feginowaka	Inazuma
200309	Wakanozan	Gibmaatsuki

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

1 hour ago, Wakawakawaka said:

Just as a heads up, here are the shikona changes from the Jurassic until the end of 2003.

Basho - Old Shikona > New Shikona

200011	Jasonishiki	Spondinoumi
200011	Kitaseiya	Kotoseiya
200011	Midorishima	Tamanaogijima
200107	Wakatanuki	Itachi
200109	Kurausu	Kura-Uzo
200109	Magunoyama	Maguroyama
200109	Itachi	Wakatanuki
200109	Gebono	Gernobono
200111	Kura-Uzo	Kurausu
200201	Magicdidi	Chiyotokimiya
200201	Kurausu	Sakurai
200203	Purukumi	Kaikitsune
200207	Sakurai	Kurausu
200211	Makususuchi	Zenjimoto
200307	Feginowaka	Inazuma
200309	Wakanozan	Gibmaatsuki

Thank you. I did notice last night that Jasonishiki changed and I wondered if I had missed any. Since sumodb kept going down last night I cached local copies of the first few dozen rikishi so I wouldn't have to pause my efforts during later outages. Also wrote more scripting to speed along the process as the rosters get bigger and bigger.

[Wakawakawaka 154]

What is the extent of the scripting/automation you have in place as far the entirety of the process goes? Like how long do you think it will take of human effort to create one of the newer banzuke with 200 players participating?

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

20 minutes ago, Wakawakawaka said:

What is the extent of the scripting/automation you have in place as far the entirety of the process goes? Like how long do you think it will take of human effort to create one of the newer banzuke with 200 players participating?

I don't know, I wrote a script last night (GPT kinda wrote a lot of it) to prompt me to keep proposed ending ranks fresh in a file when I don't have them from earlier runs.
I will probably tweak Chiyotasuke's page to automatically show me the rows on the banzuke that I care about and churn some of the big empty sections that are accumulating. script.js mentioned below is literally Chiyotasuke's script.js where the rikishi are listed but index.html is where his page hardcodes the rows for the left banzuke and the right banzuke (although if you save your board and reload it the InnerHTML for the actual banzuke will be refreshed from the cache, which is something that slows me down :) )

Edited February 24, 2024 by Hoshotakamoto

[Wakawakawaka 154]

I don't really know anything about script, so to ask a different way, what parts do you still have to do manually?

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

The manual patterns that I established the past couple days were to (1) refresh the rows that are available to populate with rikishi, (2) lookup the rank where they should go based on past historical patterns and internal consistency with conclusions I've reached already, (3) reload the hacked version of chiyotasuke's tool and move everyone into their new spot, (4) post the snapshots to imgur and write a new forum post, (5) zero out everyone's record to 0-0-7 for the next basho and manually type in their new landing rank, (6) run a script that would read the scoreboard for the next GTB and populate their new records, (7) manually look up who went intai and write their names or erase their names as needed, and I think we're roughly at the point where the process repeats. The place where I'd stub my toe is on step 3 if I hadn't properly done step 1 to make sure the rows where there that i wanted, so a bit of bookkeeping went in place to make sure I didn't have to keep stopping and starting here over and over.

I'll probably automate 1 today as I discussed in the earlier post, (2) is the script that I mentioned above so this bookkeeping is a lot better than it has been. (3) i'll put off automating as long as possible since it's the fun part (but I might automate it if it stops being fun), (4) will always be manual but it only takes a couple minutes, (5) is easy to automate, (6) i'll probably automate today, (7) same thing.

I know this doesn't succinctly answer your question but it paints the big picture.

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

It would be kinda neat when the cards are all on the table to have a simulation that would demonstrate how fates would have diverged if slightly different promotion criteria were used (very generous vs very harsh). I'm telling myself it doesn't make a very big difference at this point since people generally leave (early on) without leaving a big footprint.

[Wakawakawaka 154]

Very nice. So I think beyond adding an 8th item (a scoring system that addresses the 'everybody in Makuuchi getting KK' problem we discussed Tuesday) it sounds like you've got an efficient workflow figured out.

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

Here's the banzuke for Haru 2000, highlighted with Ekigozan's back to back 15-0 finish, moving up from K1w to S1e (and it's fair to say any intermediate ranking would have gotten him to S1e from M14 with the 30-0 run). Is this an ozeki run? Hard to say. I can't fathom a scenario in real life where a rikishi could enter at M14, go 15-0 to Komusubi, 15-0 to sekiwake, and then be held back from Ozeki if they completed a 45-0 run.

Meanwhile we had stellar finishes for both Juryo contestants, and Imanonami only dropped a couple spots with 6-9. In Makushita we didn't have a runaway 7-0 (usually a 14-1 or better, but sometimes a 13-2 is good enough) but two 6-1 finishes brought Leonishiki and Doitsuyama within one 7-0 finish of Juryo.

After detailing my whole process I forgot to mark any intais, and it would require me to re-seed the whole bracket if I fill them in now. I'll clean this up in the next round.

I will say it is apparent that the recruiting boom starts with this basho, and advances in scripting and automation are essential in order if I want to avoid this thing dragging out forever.

 

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

placeholder for later discussion of the proper Haru 2000 basho

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

Prepared the meta banzuke for Natsu 2000, based on results from http://sumodb.sumogames.de/gtb/GTBScoreBasho.aspx?b=200005.

First things first, Sekiwake Ekigozan had a 7-8 and dropped to Komusubi, so he basically needs a new ozeki run despite 37 wins to get from M14 -> K -> S -> K.

But we did have a makuuchi yusho winner as Imanonami pulled 14-1 and jumped to M1e. There was a weak case for K2 but M1 was about right when reviewing all relevant precedent in sumo. So with a K1e and a M1e we have opponents for the mythical yokozuna and ozeki to face in the first week.

Mediocre results for the two Juryos had the aggregate impact of a slight demotion, but Ms2 Leonishiki pulled 5-2 to join them at J11w. Elsewhere the ranks in Makushita would have thinned out considerably but Gaijingai's 15-0 as the overall GTB winner lifted him from Sd10 to Ms12, just ahead of the spot vacated by Doitsuyama's kyujo.

Sandanme will have a solid group of 10 eligible to compete next time, but here I'll note that I failed to mark Okimura intai at Sd47 (the highest ranked departure yet) in the previous basho, and likewise for Jd9 Nikkan Sports. Jonidan will have 12 eligible competitors and there were 8 newcomers that may or may not return for the next Jonokuchi bracket.

I did make an attempt to thin out the unused rows in the right side but it didn't go exactly as I planned. I'll make a more aggressive push for the next banzuke to focus on the essential rows and leave out the giant gaps in divisions 4-6.

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

placeholder for natsu 2000 real basho (not sure if i will ever actually get to these)

[Kintamayama 45,208]

Wow.

[Wakawakawaka 154]

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

Wow.

Bob, Gog, lol, mom, pop, S.O.S., tot. Your list of 3 letter palindromes with middle letter 'O' is now complete.

[Jejima 1,398]

46 minutes ago, Wakawakawaka said:

Bob, Gog, lol, mom, pop, S.O.S., tot. Your list of 3 letter palindromes with middle letter 'O' is now complete.

...non

[Wakawakawaka 154]

Prefixes don't count. Then again, perhaps I should have been more strict and excluded acronyms for consistency. I will gambarize in my future foruming, and take it one post at a time.

[Jejima 1,398]

2 minutes ago, Wakawakawaka said:

Prefixes don't count. Then again, perhaps I should have been more strict and excluded acronyms for consistency. I will gambarize in my future foruming, and take it one post at a time.

Pourquoi pas?

Edited February 26, 2024 by Jejima

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

3 hours ago, Wakawakawaka said:

Bob, Gog, lol, mom, pop, S.O.S., tot. Your list of 3 letter palindromes with middle letter 'O' is now complete.

 

[Jakusotsu 5,982]

12 hours ago, Wakawakawaka said:

Bob, Gog, lol, mom, pop, S.O.S., tot. Your list of 3 letter palindromes with middle letter 'O' is now complete.

May we extend it for poop?