Aki 2024 discussion (results)

[Jakusotsu 6,041]

Can somebody enlighten me why Ryuden obviously didn't *want* to win? Tokihayate, ok, but Ryuden??

[rhyen 1,846]

50 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Can somebody enlighten me why Ryuden obviously didn't *want* to win? Tokihayate, ok, but Ryuden??

Ryuden wants to face 7-7 Tamawashi.

[Akinomaki 40,739]

Not only no jun-yusho, looks like the next kyujo for Takayasu (maybe only at the jungyo) - leaving without comment

Edited September 21, 2024 by Akinomaki

[Katooshu 3,322]

Congrats to incoming ozeki Onosato. Blasting out the current ozeki who'd tossed him around in all previous meetings is a good way to win it.

Edited September 21, 2024 by Katooshu

[Akinomaki 40,739]

14 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

You can see the sand moving in the first NHK replay after the mono-ii was called - the digest is not out yet, in a few hours here https://www.youtube.com/@NHKWORLDJAPAN/videos - on top of the playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFEzXnIQVwV9JgQkOMJZM23G8g-wBBWKf

so far https://t.me/NattoSumo/1033 at 34:30m

The English digest should be out any minute, the time I posted was from the Japanese one, from https://t.me/SumoCuts, I corrected the post to that of Natto's digest

It was also shown today on Abema's recap of yesterday at the start of makuuchi. Waka committed a faux-pas - he admitted that the hand touched "Watching the slomo, it touched, didn't it", immediately apologized and "corrected" it: "it didn't touch, I'm getting in company of Asashoryu"

[RabidJohn 1,850]

Extraordinary match between returning Hokutofuji and Ryuden. Way more going on than I expected from either of them.

Some notable comebacks happening, too: Kirishima (2 months too late), the Onami bros, and Nishikigi!

Has the head shimpan made any reference to Onosato's promotion yet? Feels like it should be a done deal with a day 14 yusho.
I thought he looked a little nervous, especially with the false start, but if he was, he channeled the energy superbly in the match; Hoshoryu didn't get a look in.
Abi tomorrow looks like a bit of a gift for him. Hope he doesn't take his foot off the gas.

[bettega 431]

Takayasu never fails in let us down.

Congrats, new Ozeki Oonosato! A really strong run - 34 (maybe 35) wins and 2 Yusho.

[Tsubame 368]

One thing that become clear to me this basho is that Hoshoryu is an ozeki. Good Ozeki but nothing more. I do not see any glimpse of becoming ever a yokozuna for him. His name was handled regulary on the list of yokozuna-"prospects". But after this basho and reminding the last year I crossed hom off that list.

Don't get me wrong. Ten wins on average as an ozeki ist exactly the mark for a ozeki and shows consistency but this is not the launching pad to yokozunahood.

[Sue 520]

They reversed Konosuke? Are they allowed to do that?

[Akinomaki 40,739]

2 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

Has the head shimpan made any reference to Onosato's promotion yet?

Yes, promotion definite, the shimpan have a special meeting before the torikumi tomorrow, which will decide that Takadagawa asks Hakkaku to open the special rijikai, that decides the promotion. o

- once this process is started, nothing stops it (except maybe a karaoke remote control)

[Benevolance 2,508]

Onosato had more trouble handling the giant stack of kensho afterwards than he did his opponent. 

[RabidJohn 1,850]

2 hours ago, Sue said:

They reversed Konosuke? Are they allowed to do that?

It happens once or twice a year, but we turn a blind eye atm.
If he's wearing purple rosettes a few years from now we might start to notice.

[Bugman Re-Hatched 26]

1 hour ago, Benevolance said:

Onosato had more trouble handling the giant stack of kensho afterwards than he did his opponent. 

My first basho watching Hoshoryu has left me feeling a little confused about him.  Sometimes he looks solid and powerful, and other times he reminds me of a shaky Takamisakari, I like him though so I hope his next tournament goes better for him.

[just_some_guy 284]

16 minutes ago, Bugman Re-Hatched said:

My first basho watching Hoshoryu has left me feeling a little confused about him.  Sometimes he looks solid and powerful, and other times he reminds me of a shaky Takamisakari, I like him though so I hope his next tournament goes better for him.

He seems a little "off" this basho. I can't point to any reason for it; no obvious injuries showing or anything like that.

[Oskanohana 293]

Jikan-mae!!! Kotozakura vs Abi of all people.

[The Fat Cyclist 32]

1 hour ago, Oskanohana said:

Jikan-mae!!! Kotozakura vs Abi of all people.

I cant believe I didnt notice that and that the NHK highlights show didnt mention it.

Edited September 21, 2024 by The Fat Cyclist
speeling

[Akinomaki 40,739]

21 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Asashoryu is blind.

Everybody is turning a blind eye, in good old Japanese tradition, but no harm is done and nobody complains but some foreigners

NHKWorld for some (this?) reason delays the video on YT, but on the site it is available https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/common/player/tv/vod/world/player/?opid=nw_vod_v_en_2061_733_20240921013000_01_1726851803&aacontentid=[nhkworld]vod%3BGRAND+SUMO+Highlights_September+Tournament+Day+13%3Ben%2C001%3B2061-733-2024%3B

watch at 24m53s

Edited September 21, 2024 by Akinomaki

[Koorifuu 1,019]

Of all the ways for Shimanoumi to mk...

[mugatake 44]

2 hours ago, Oskanohana said:

Jikan-mae!!! Kotozakura vs Abi of all people.

It would appear that Inosuke was the one making it look like a jikanmae. Everyone else seems to have been on the same page - the time-keeper gestured, the towels were delivered, Abema put up their "match about to begin" banner, but Inosuke was in the wrong stance. Over on NHK, the announcers were confused, saying at first that Inosuke made the mistake, then wondering if it was a jikanmae, finally looking back over the footage and saying that they believe Inosuke immediately forgot that he saw the signal.

The legend of a new Inosuke begins.

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/bb3670ad87380a8fa051ec24b6b6c6b5a4d1b59b

Edited September 21, 2024 by mugatake

[dingo 1,293]

Awesome bout between Hokutofuji and Ryuden. Both rikishi gave it their all and were visibly exhausted by the end. Amazingly Hokutofuji managed to outwrestle Ryuden on the belt, though it was clearly a desperation move. I thought Hokutofuji was safe so did he re-enter the basho just out of rikishi pride?

I couldn't have guessed Kagayaki getting his second win of the basho so far against Endo, but he kept Endo away from the mawashi well and actually pushed fairly hard. Too bad the win is not gonna help him much against dropping to juryo.

Oho will be quite unfortunate if his much-awaited sanyaku debut is overtaken by Wakamotoharu jumping in front of him. After the matta today he seemed a bit rattled and gave away a good mawashi grip to Nishikigi right away, who didn't have any trouble in converting it to a win. Actually, Oho might first be overtaken by Shodai who somehow has ended up with 10 wins at M4 and a good shot at komusubi (and presumably a new ozeki run ;) )

Kotozakura survived a pretty good pulldown attempt by Abi and secured his kachikoshi, avoiding a kadoban matchup with Hoshoryu tomorrow. He'll be quite relieved this basho is finally over soon. Hoshoryu however will have to win if he wants to avoid kadoban. Let's see if his itchy back will be scratched or not.

Nerves of steel by Onosato to overcome the matta, his 0-3 record and potential yusho jitters to decisively push out Hoshoryu and definitely claim his ozeki rank as well as the yusho. To be honest, after the matta I thought he was toast, yet he showed that he can remain calm in the face of challenge. His first push from tachiai was super impressive and basically won him the bout. I suppose belief in his own ability helps a lot. Congrats shin-ozeki and two-time yusho winner in only 9 basho!

[Gospodin 219]

4 hours ago, just_some_guy said:

He seems a little "off" this basho. I can't point to any reason for it; no obvious injuries showing or anything like that.

By now his overreliance on throws, particularly when he comes under pressure, makes him predictable.Improving his yotsu skills definitely wouldn´t hurt.

[hakutorizakura 643]

Both Daiki Nakamura showed great determination today. Enjoyable bouts!

[Jakusotsu 6,041]

1 hour ago, dingo said:

Awesome bout between Hokutofuji and Ryuden. Both rikishi gave it their all and were visibly exhausted by the end.

That's one way to put it. All I saw was Ryuden refusing to win three times.

[Oskanohana 293]

2 hours ago, mugatake said:

It would appear that Inosuke was the one making it look like a jikanmae. Everyone else seems to have been on the same page - the time-keeper gestured, the towels were delivered, Abema put up their "match about to begin" banner, but Inosuke was in the wrong stance. Over on NHK, the announcers were confused, saying at first that Inosuke made the mistake, then wondering if it was a jikanmae, finally looking back over the footage and saying that they believe Inosuke immediately forgot that he saw the signal.

The legend of a new Inosuke begins.

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/bb3670ad87380a8fa051ec24b6b6c6b5a4d1b59b

Incompetence, oh, you harsh mistress.

 

12 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

That's one way to put it. All I saw was Ryuden refusing to win three times.

Hokutofuji's win looked pyrrhic to me anyway. And his body was looking already on the brink of breaking these past tournaments. As far as Ryuden, he has the body, the strength, the skills on the belt and is an absolute calamity more often than not. Still, maybe there was something fishy there that I attributed to sheer incompetence. Ryuden is the most frustrating rikishi for me. I want to root for him, but he has burnt me with disappointment enough times already.

[Reonito 1,511]

20 minutes ago, Oskanohana said:

Ryuden is the most frustrating rikishi for me. I want to root for him, but he has burnt me with disappointment enough times already.

I've settled into enjoying his yotsu skills when he displays them and just accepting that he's going to inexplicably lose a bunch of winnable bouts.