Onosato ozeki promotion

[Akinomaki 40,019]

2 hours ago, Joaoiyama said:

Is it the fastest climb to Ozeki ever?

In the modern era, yes

[Akinomaki 40,019]

13 minutes ago, Kachikoshi said:

I could have sworn I’ve seen rikishi’s own wives in these ceremonies before. If Onosato were married would his wife be involved, or would Mrs. Nishonoseki still get preference?

If there is an okami-san in the heya, she always is the one in the ceremony

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1 hour ago, hakutorizakura said:

The first one sounds like a dinosaur's name and the second could mean the village of that red fish... Both sound promising for a successful future career though.

As long as the second one doesn't somehow spin in the direction of red herring.

[Yarimotsu 548]

If anyone is willing to cast their mind that far back: How do viewers of Miyabiyama (early in his career) see comparisons with Onosato? Seems like a similarly fast rise and similar stature.

[I am the Yokozuna 188]

So, the messengers were Dewanoumi (Oginohana) and Hanerogoma (Tamanoshima) 

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7 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

Nishonoseki's marriage had completely passed me by, too. I assumed she was a female relative drafted in for the ceremony.

How the hell has he managed to keep her hidden?
I mean, there must have been reporters hanging around the heya for at least a few months, what with a makuuchi debut yusho and that 'scandal'.

And I was thinking Onosato's rapid promotion was the most impressive thing about him...

As mentioned before, the media more or less have followed the shisho's wish to keep her out of articles, but that doesn't mean he has kept her hidden. 

When the heya buildings in Ibaraki were opened, she was very active during the opening ceremony... often times posing for pictures with koenkai members and other local guests (alongside the shisho of course) and actively welcomed media representatives and other Rikishi (IIRC, Takayasu paid a visit too). There is/was (can't check it right now) a fan video on YouTube that showed her multiple times as she was fulfilling the duties mentioned above. 

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4 hours ago, Yarimotsu said:

If anyone is willing to cast their mind that far back: How do viewers of Miyabiyama (early in his career) see comparisons with Onosato? Seems like a similarly fast rise and similar stature.

Maybe it's recency bias but my vague recollection is that while young Miyabiyama was certainly an impressive force during his rise to Ozekihood, I don't remember him being as powerful, dominant, or as polished as Onosato has been. 

Hopefully Onosato can avoid injuries and continue to ascend unlike Miyabiyama. 

Edited September 25 by Kaninoyama

[Katooshu 3,174]

Granted I never watched Miyabiyama live and have only seen an assortment of his matches from various basho, but my impression is that he wasn't as quick or sharp in his movements as Onosato is - more of a 'big heavy lump' type. They are similar in being able to effectively apply forward moving power with both yotsu and pushing though.

Edited September 26 by Katooshu

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Always that damn fish! Why why why

I hate them so much.

[sumojoann 1,262]

I could be wrong but if I recall correctly, that fish is known as “Vai” which also means “victory” in Japanese.  

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14 minutes ago, sumojoann said:

I could be wrong but if I recall correctly, that fish is known as “Vai” which also means “victory” in Japanese.  

Tai. 

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19 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said:

Tai. 

Thank you!  I must have been thinking of the guitar player, Steve Vai.  

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2 hours ago, Katooshu said:

Granted I never watched Miyabiyama live and have only seen an assortment of his matches from various basho, but my impression is that he wasn't as quick or sharp in his movements as Onosato is - more of a 'big heavy lump' type. They are similar in being able to effectively apply forward moving power with both yotsu and pushing though, and both appear to do a good job of moving laterally to cut circling opponents off, rather than just pursuing in a straight line that leaves them open to being sidestepped.

Aye. My recollections from Miyabiyama are misty and mostly from past his peak, but they're not too unlike Takayasu. Huge, powerful boulder who doesn't move much but is exceptionally good at 'tanking' whatever people try to do to him, and also at shoving them away.

Onosato is much more forward-minded, even if notoriously careful on his attacks.

Edited September 26 by Koorifuu

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3 hours ago, bettega said:

Always that damn fish! Why why why

I hate them so much.

I wonder if the NSK has a pamphlet they hand out on special occasions that say some thing like "So You Made Ozeki: Taste-Tempting Recipes for Red Sea Bream"

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2 hours ago, sumojoann said:

I could be wrong but if I recall correctly, that fish is known as “Vai” which also means “victory” in Japanese.  

Tai, which my understanding is symbolic of "omedetai", meaning auspicious, etc., but basically "congratulations". 

[Jakusotsu 5,864]

Miyabiyama was a master of the infamous Musashigawa-Belly-Flop.

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If I was browsing the DB correctly, Onosato is the first Ozeki since Haguroyama without make-koshi on his way up.

[Akinomaki 40,019]

3 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

I wonder if the NSK has a pamphlet they hand out on special occasions that say some thing like "So You Made Ozeki: Taste-Tempting Recipes for Red Sea Bream"

Looks rather like they have to learn the recipes by themselves, and that the big ones don't taste as good: yusho tai on Sunday - and they really don't look fresh

and more modest looking tai for ozeki - or running out of recipes - but they look fresh and delicious

[Akinomaki 40,019]

OTOH, there was no party after the ceremony, the fish were maybe eaten by the rikishi - Onosato left after the ceremony - apparently he doesn't live in the heya

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Nishonoseki had another event later on the day as PR ambassador for Ibaraki in the capital Mito

- talking about yokozuna Hitachiyama at the symposium for his 150th birthday - demonstrating his special technique

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12 hours ago, Yarimotsu said:

If anyone is willing to cast their mind that far back: How do viewers of Miyabiyama (early in his career) see comparisons with Onosato? Seems like a similarly fast rise and similar stature.

Miyabiyama was completely different from Onosato. He was very raw and made Ozeki mainly by power and a little bit of luck. Musashigawa Beya was hot at the time and he did not have to face Yokozuna Musashimaru and the Ozeki Dejima and Musoyama (who made Ozeki at about the same time) and Miyabiyama was never considered to be a serious Yusho contender. I remember my worst sumo predicition ever: My take was that Miyabiyama would surely become a Yokozuna. Why? Because he made Ozeki with such bad sumo that he should be nearly unbeatable once he learns to do good sumo. Good example should be his loss to Takatoriki in Takatoriki's sole yusho where Miyabiyama had easily dominated the match but somehow let Takatoriki escape to the side at the edge. Onosato on the other hand looks like the best rikishi around already and his wins look solid.

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3 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Nishonoseki had another event later on the day as PR ambassador for Ibaraki in the capital Mito

- talking about yokozuna Hitachiyama at the symposium for his 150th birthday - demonstrating his special technique

The technique is called Izumigawa 泉川 - a name not heard now, but Terunofuji uses a technique like this. It leads to tamedashi, not in the 82 kimarite now, it would be a kimedashi.

Actually there is a connection to Onosato: The yokozuna from Mito Hitachiyama was called sumo saint, his deshi Onosato sumo god

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Now we have again an ex-yokozuna from Ibaraki with a deshi Onosato, who made it to ozeki - Nishonoseki didn't know about the connection till that day

Onosato before last basho was in Fujisaki to visit the hometown and meet with the head of the family of Onosato I

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with Onosato I goods

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tegata of I & II

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Edited September 26 by Akinomaki

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A nice background story about Onosato.

https://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/15441485

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On 25/09/2024 at 14:09, Akinomaki said:

Towada tournament team yusho for Kaiyo high, with Shirokuma and Kayo

a vinyl wrapped train together with these 2 and Oshoumi will be presented in a ceremony on Saturday in Itoigawa

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To take part in the ceremony and first of all to report his ozeki promotion, Onosato with Oshoumi went to Itoigawa, where he had a press conference in the city hall. The 4 went to middle and high school there, looks like also Kayo is injured too much to take part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2kNGa105K8

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display in the city

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during high school

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Edited September 28 by Akinomaki

[Koorifuu 910]

So much green. 

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On 25/09/2024 at 07:56, Joaoiyama said:

Is it the fastest climb to Ozeki ever?

Counting from the Makushita ranks (to adjust for Onosato's head start), the most recent one that even compares (10 basho to 10 basho) is Terukuni's run from Ms21 to Ozeki from 1937 to 1942 (two basho per year era): https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=3819

Terunofuji's second run to Ozeki took only 9 basho from Ms10w to Ozeki, but that doesn't really count, and his first run from Ms10w took 14 basho. https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=11927

Haguroyama managed it in an impressive 8 basho from Ms12w, though based on his scores it was easier to get promoted to Ozeki back then. (Terukuni's run above, just a couple of years later, was about as impressive as Onosato's score-wise). https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=3806

Back in the mid-30s it took Maedayama a mere 7 basho to rise from Ms14e to Ozeki, with pretty decent scores, but that was after bouncing around Ms/Sd for a few years. https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=3801

During WW1 Chibagasaki managed it in 8, though the DB starts breaking down at this point. I can't even interpret some of these scores, so that really was another era. https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=3661

And Tochigiyama made it in 9 from Ms11 during WW1 as well, though the scores show that making it to Ozeki really was easier back then. https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=3646

Except for an 11 basho run by Azumafuji, which is short of Onosato's 10 basho run, this is all that the DB has. Of course it's incomplete, but before about the 1940s it seems like it was generally easier to get to Ozeki anyway. https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&n_basho=10&form1_ms=on&form10_rank=O&form10_m=on&columns=10

 

Other than Chibagasaki, the thing all of these rikishi have in common? They didn't top out at Ozeki.