rhyen 1,840 Posted November 20, 2024 元横綱北の富士さんが死去、82歳 角界のご意見番だった元横綱北の富士氏が逝った。NHK相撲解説者の北の富士（本名・竹沢）勝昭氏が亡くなったことが20日までに分かった。82歳だった。72年初場所後に52代横綱に昇進して通算10度優勝。引退後は千代の富士、北勝海（現八角理事長）の両横綱らを育てた。協会幹部として期待されたが早期退職で解説者に転身し、歯に衣（きぬ）着せぬ論評で人気があった。12月、東京の九重部屋でお別れの会が開かれる予定。 配信 日刊スポーツ https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/472e4c360b7c9f69a58fdbd17fcd8349381521dd 絶句！！です。 15 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,482 Posted November 20, 2024 The other day there was a video on YT about the announcement of his death, which seemed some unsubstantiated rumour, but apparently it was known for a few days. R.I.P. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I am the Yokozuna 193 Posted November 20, 2024 A very sad news. A great man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rokudenashi 323 Posted November 20, 2024 I wonder what was going on when he was briefly announced as returning to commentary duties this basho - he was apparently hospitalised after Aki and his condition clearly didn't improve. One of the longest-living Yokozuna - 3rd behind Umegatani I and Tochinoumi? RIP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dapeng 235 Posted November 20, 2024 (edited) Sad. R.I.P. Edited November 20, 2024 by Dapeng Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hankegami 537 Posted November 20, 2024 (edited) Ghastly news. Him still being among us was a reminder that also sumotori can have a long, healthy life. Even Yokozuna. Of course, passing at the respectable age of 82 is still most remarkable, given the general environment. I am ashamed I cannot say much about his achievements beyond what is already known in the records. When I became interested in the sumo world he was already a commentator, and the last prominent survivor of the 1960s and 1970s in sumo. But I am confident that the veterans of this forum can provide a much more dignified eulogy to his memory that I can do. Him passing away also represents a stark reminder of the longevity issue in sumo. Now, the eldest surviving Yokozuna is 76 years old Mienoumi, the last representative of the 1940s and 1950s born Yokozuna. After him, we are down to the surviving 1960s kids: 64 years old Asahifuji / Isegahama (b. 1960), 62 years old Onokuni / Shibatayama (b.1962), and 61 years old Hokutoumi / Hakkaku (b. 1963). The ones supposed to fill in the middle (Wajima, Kitanoumi, Wakanohana II, Chiyonofuji, Takanosato, plus Futahaguro being Hakkaku's age) are already gone. There's a dark, slippery slope here. His disappearance also leaves Umegatani's longevity record among the Yokozuna (83 years old) still standing 96 years after his death (May 15, 1928). I admit I was hoping for Kitanofuji to break this relatively low ceiling finally. That's really a hard call. 1 hour ago, rokudenashi said: One of the longest-living Yokozuna - 3rd behind Umegatani I and Tochinoumi? Pretty much. Umegatani I passed away at the age of 83 y 2 m, Tochinoumi at some good 82 y 10 m, and now Kitanofuji at 82 y and almost 8 m. Fourth comes Wakanohana I, who passed away at 82 y and almost 6 m. This short list of Yokozuna that reached their eighties is closed by Kagamisato, who left us at 80 y 10 m. Honorable mention to Sadanoyama, passed at 79 y 2 m. After him, we have an equally short list of Yokozuna that left this world in their seventies. After Sadanoyama, we have the fortunately still living Mienoumi (76), and then directly the 19th century champions Inazuma (75)* and Jinmaku (74), followed by Taiho (72) and Wajima (70). After them, we have either people that died at a younger age, or the ones still among us. We can only hope for the generation entering their silver years right now. On a last note, both the Japanese and the English Wikipedia now report Kitanofuji's date of passing on November 12. Last week. * There's an ongoing debate over Inazuma's year of birth and final age. He was either born in 1795, 1798, or 1802, and certainly died on March 29, 1877. Most scholars prefer the 1802 date for a number of reasons, but it's not unlikely that he was actually born in 1795. Inazuma was promoted to Yokozuna in 1831. He was either 29 (if born in 1802) or 36 (if born in 1795). The latter would be actually more in line with other cases from the 1820s onward: Onomatsu before him was promoted at 34, Shiranui I, Hidenoyama, and Unryu were all promoted at 39, Shiranui II and Jinmaku at 38, and Kimenzan even at 43. No one was promoted while being in their 20s until Hitachiyama (29) and Umegatani II (25) in 1903. The tsuna was largely a career award throughout the 19th century. Were the 1795 date true, Inazuma might have died at about 81 or 82 years of age. Given that he passed away in late March (giving his highest possible age at less than 82 y 4 m even if he was born early in January), he wouldn't take over the longevity spot of any of the 82 years old of today. He would rather fill between Wakanohana I and Kagamisato. Anyway, I kept his final age at 75 here because any greater age would be pure speculation. Edited November 20, 2024 by Hankegami 1 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
junsan 191 Posted November 21, 2024 Oh heavens. You will be missed so dearly Kitanofuji-san. I was earnestly hoping to see him back on commentary with Mainoumi. Extremely sad. Rest in Peace Yokozuna. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RabidJohn 1,786 Posted November 21, 2024 I came to sumo in the late 80s so I missed Kitanofuji's active career. To me he was Kokonoe-oyakata, shisho to Chiyonofuji and Hokutoumi, still slimming down from his fighting weight, with that mop of curly hair, the trademark tinted specs and a generally jolly demeanour, just as the NHK clips showed him. I recall my wife commenting when he was on shimpan duty and they were conferring for a mono-ii, "He's always smiling." 82 is a grand old age, so I'm not too sad. RIP dude. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 2,028 Posted November 21, 2024 1 minute ago, kedevash said: Maybe i'm mistaken but for me Yutakama (83) who was Yokozuna between 1963 and 1968, Kiyokuni (83) who was Yokozuna between 1969 and 1974 are still alive. They were Ozeki. Re: Kitanofuji He retired just before I was born. Unfortunately, that seems like a very long time ago... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,969 Posted November 21, 2024 Can't help wondering if this kind of misinformation was AI-generated... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorikiried by fate 2,028 Posted November 21, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jakusotsu said: Can't help wondering if this kind of misinformation was AI-generated... This will be the most shared webcomic in the coming decade: Source: XKCD.com Edited November 21, 2024 by yorikiried by fate 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,087 Posted November 22, 2024 9 hours ago, Jakusotsu said: Can't help wondering if this kind of misinformation was AI-generated... Sorry, so has he gone or not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,969 Posted November 22, 2024 40 minutes ago, Seiyashi said: Sorry, so has he gone or not? See @yorikiried by fate's post above quoting the already deleted misinformation by @kedevash 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,482 Posted November 22, 2024 (edited) NSK local NHK vid Kyodo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWtw2AiWIIU Asahi TV Hodo Station https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ligkV__3aSA TBS News it! o o o o o o o Later pics o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o ooo oooo ooo oooo oooooooo o o ooo o o oo o deshi and mago-deshi reactions ooo o o oo o o o oo o o o Edited November 22, 2024 by Akinomaki 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hankegami 537 Posted November 22, 2024 13 hours ago, Jakusotsu said: Can't help wondering if this kind of misinformation was AI-generated... 3 hours ago, Seiyashi said: Sorry, so has he gone or not? 3 hours ago, Jakusotsu said: See @yorikiried by fate's post above quoting the already deleted misinformation by @kedevash I am positive it is AI generated - I don't know where kedevash got his data, but his source clearly mixed-up the ranks of Yokozuna and Ozeki. His source had Yutakayama as Yokozuna between 1963 and 1968 (actually his time as an Ozeki), and Kiyokuni between 1969 and 1974 (same). Those are typical AI errors. We got a lot of the same stuff when forum members turned on AI for quick searches. The algorithm simply does not get the difference, and often mixes up different events. And yes, Kitanofuji sadly passed away for certain. I want to thank again @Akinomaki for the photos and videos he just shared here. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kedevash 43 Posted November 22, 2024 No no no i'm not an AI! I just made a mistake by watching a wrong files. I watch my Ozeki file instead of the Yokozuna one. I'm almost immediatly deleted my post but it seems it went throught anyway. Sorry about that verybody. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hankegami 537 Posted November 22, 2024 14 minutes ago, kedevash said: No no no i'm not an AI! I just made a mistake by watching a wrong files. I watch my Ozeki file instead of the Yokozuna one. I'm almost immediatly deleted my post but it seems it went throught anyway. Sorry about that verybody. Don't worry - No one was accusing you to *be* an AI. I just had the impression that *your source* was AI generated. It could have included also third sources, not necessarily something that you made yourself. Also, it's always problematic to cancel a post after it has been sent already. Many people solve the issue by editing it. Well, I'm glad we solved the mystery of the two phantom Yokozuna so swiftly anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kedevash 43 Posted November 22, 2024 5 minutes ago, Hankegami said: Don't worry - No one was accusing you to *be* an AI. I just had the impression that *your source* was AI generated. It could have included also third sources, not necessarily something that you made yourself. Also, it's always problematic to cancel a post after it has been sent already. Many people solve the issue by editing it. Well, I'm glad we solved the mystery of the two phantom Yokozuna so swiftly anyway. All right then :) Btw sad to hear the news of Kitanofuji's death. I follow sumo since 2006 and he has always been a commentator. I love his sens of humour who was sometimes borderline. Rest in peace Yokozuna. He will find his friend Tamanoumi somewhere in heaven now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,969 Posted November 22, 2024 Looks like @Hankegami and me both failed the reverse Turing test... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,482 Posted November 29, 2024 The farewell meeting in memorial of Kitanofuji will take place on Dec. 18th at Hakkaku-beya. Members of the public can take part 14:30h onwards. http://www.jiji.com/jc/article?k=2024112900918&g=obt 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,482 Posted December 18, 2024 On 29/11/2024 at 21:54, Akinomaki said: The farewell meeting in memorial of Kitanofuji will take place on Dec. 18th at Hakkaku-beya Today at Hakkaku-beya oo o o o o o oo Hakkaku and heya koenkai top Muneo Suzuki oo o ex- Kotonowaka I&II o oo ex-Takamiyama o o ex-rikishi pro wrestlers Tenryu and the Great Kojika o oo Mainoumi o o fans from the public oo 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,482 Posted December 18, 2024 The kaimyo of Kitanofuji is 徳粋院殿 釈勝縁大居士 Tokusui-inden shakushouen-daikoji - using a kanji from his first name Katsuaki o Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,482 Posted December 19, 2024 About 350 sumo world related guests and about 2000 fans from the public were at the memorial meeting for Kitanofuji yesterday vid oo o o o o Address by Hakkaku and Suzuki oo ooo o ooo o o oo o oo more from those already mentioned oo o o ooo oo ooo ooo o o Otawayama oooo Kokonoe oo Oshima, Tamawashi oo o o main ones from the sumo world also: ex-ozeki Yutakayama, Shibatayama, Tamanoi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gaijingai 1,576 Posted December 26, 2024 https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/sumo/20241225-229625/ The Japan News commentary re: Kitanofuji’s life. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
