GTB Hatsu 2025 - inviting you to partake - 217 entries, deadline has passed

[Kintamayama 45,203]

3 hours ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

Do you have the results or can they not be properly compiled with the site down?

We need the site. Should be ready soon- the database is back up and running.

 

[Jejima 1,398]

The site is up!

 

[Kintamayama 45,203]

36 minutes ago, Jejima said:

The site is up!

 

And down again. And up again

Edited December 24, 2024 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 45,203]

Results in. Winner is Hisui for the first time. 216 entries in all. Crazy results-  top twelve with 67 points or more. Excellent.  6 identical guesses at 68 points (so people still use Youtube..), and two more at 67 points.  Well, at lest identical in results.. 26 new players. Thanks for playing and thanks to Doitsuyama and Andoreasu for running things.

Milestones:

Bill- 110th basho

Chishafuwaku- 70th basho

Chisaiwashi - 40th basho

Saruwatari - 30th basho

Yarimotsu - 20th basho

And now, on with the Ba-show!!

To see how you did: http://www.dichne.com/Guess.htm

 

Edited December 26, 2024 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 45,203]

Place	Shikona	Basho	Rank	Correct Guesses	Bulls-eye	Hits	Total Points	Record
1.	Hisui	9	5	37	34	3	71	15-0
2.	Kishikaisei	42	7	38	30	8	68	14-1
3.	Kachikoshi	9	6	36	32	4	68	14-1
4.	Balon	22	37	36	32	4	68	14-1
5.	Tenguhoho	2	210	36	32	4	68	14-1
6.	Beeftank	15	10	36	32	4	68	14-1
7.	Papayasu	11	19	36	32	4	68	14-1
8.	Asset	17	2	36	32	4	68	14-1
9.	TochiYESshin	29	17	36	31	5	67	13-2
10.	Doraiumi	2	212	36	31	5	67	13-2
11.	Pepenohana	6	23	35	32	3	67	13-2
12.	Akakyoryu	28	8	34	33	1	67	13-2
13.	slayakaya	6	228	36	30	6	66	12-3
14.	asanosanpo	4	179	36	30	6	66	12-3
15.	Kobashi	27	1	36	30	6	66	12-3
16.	Asashosakari	124	11	34	32	2	66	12-3
17.	Kaito	28	21	34	32	2	66	12-3
18.	Duden	5	89	36	29	7	65	12-3
19.	Krakel	8	47	35	30	5	65	12-3
20.	Rikioi	9	18	35	30	5	65	12-3
21.	Kale	14	3	34	31	3	65	12-3
22.	BlackPinkMawashi	26	31	36	28	8	64	11-4
23.	Tim W	8	54	36	28	8	64	11-4
24.	AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA	12	15	34	30	4	64	11-4
25.	ballerscuba	5	93	34	30	4	64	11-4
26.	PaURA	17	36	36	27	9	63	11-4
27.	Oortael	36	33	35	28	7	63	11-4
28.	ChewieKen	8	38	34	29	5	63	11-4
29.	Kaerufuji	8	85	34	29	5	63	11-4
30.	Sakurahoro *	1	263	34	29	5	63	11-4
31.	Chiyohanakuso	8	96	34	29	5	63	11-4
32.	Cheesofuji	23	16	34	29	5	63	11-4
33.	Masanoumi	11	30	34	29	5	63	11-4
34.	Zelerny	7	22	34	29	5	63	11-4
35.	Sugakusha	13	14	34	29	5	63	11-4
36.	Reonito	44	9	34	29	5	63	11-4
37.	Gurowake	61	24	34	28	6	62	10-5
38.	Joezeki	9	49	34	28	6	62	10-5
39.	Purichu Ruyaru	8	20	34	28	6	62	10-5
40.	Jejima	142	44	34	28	6	62	10-5
41.	CaptSmarta$$	16	12	34	28	6	62	10-5
42.	Flew	9	26	34	28	6	62	10-5
43.	ScreechingOwl	62	40	33	29	4	62	10-5
44.	Chiyonosawa	92	43	34	27	7	61	10-5
45.	Kyoshiro *	1	269	34	27	7	61	10-5
46.	HarlanT	3	187	34	27	7	61	10-5
47.	Goshobiyama	33	4	35	25	10	60	10-5
48.	Modra	4	186	35	25	10	60	10-5
49.	Bunbukuchagama	13	13	34	26	8	60	10-5
50.	Shiroiokami	7	71	34	26	8	60	10-5
51.	Hakunojo	8	81	33	27	6	60	10-5
52.	Fishomata	11	53	33	27	6	60	10-5
53.	Haregeto *	1	271	33	27	6	60	10-5
54.	Susanoo	124	27	32	28	4	60	10-5
55.	Mowse	6	70	34	25	9	59	9-6
56.	Tyerenex	5	104	32	27	5	59	9-6
57.	Heider	7	51	32	27	5	59	9-6
58.	Wakatakasake	4	162	32	27	5	59	9-6
59.	Hoodoryufuji *	1	272	35	23	12	58	9-6
60.	Kotowazasato	3	193	34	24	10	58	9-6
61.	Joputosu	8	82	32	26	6	58	9-6
62.	Fia	5	107	32	26	6	58	9-6
63.	Tim Sumo	19	39	32	26	6	58	9-6
64.	Hobbobgob	4	173	33	24	9	57	9-6
65.	Takaryu	11	48	32	25	7	57	9-6
66.	Hashibamiyama	5	99	32	25	7	57	9-6
67.	Jdpbarber	5	127	32	25	7	57	9-6
68.	cranberrytea	3	197	31	26	5	57	9-6
69.	Toshishugisha	10	34	32	24	8	56	9-6
70.	Heriokuno	125	55	32	24	8	56	9-6
71.	Toranoshin	24	28	32	24	8	56	9-6
72.	Yagikunshu	11	88	32	24	8	56	9-6
73.	Kyotomo	22	75	32	24	8	56	9-6
74.	Kajiyanosho	17	125	31	25	6	56	9-6
75.	Shosei	9	62	31	25	6	56	9-6
76.	Wakawakawaka	18	68	31	25	6	56	9-6
77.	Shoryuyama	27	58	31	25	6	56	9-6
78.	Brice *	1	280	33	22	11	55	8-7
79.	Ack!	13	45	32	23	9	55	8-7
80.	Akagitsune	6	56	32	23	9	55	8-7
81.	Ace_Ranger	2	232	32	23	9	55	8-7
82.	Chishafuwaku	70	41	32	23	9	55	8-7
83.	Kinoko	19	92	31	24	7	55	8-7
84.	Multimikstar	2	220	31	24	7	55	8-7
85.	Jakusotsu	122	64	30	25	5	55	8-7
86.	SumoandSand	5	126	34	20	14	54	8-7
87.	Taeghan	9	61	32	22	10	54	8-7
88.	Yarimotsu	20	74	31	23	8	54	8-7
89.	Gonzaburow	103	52	31	23	8	54	8-7
90.	Wakaotori	2	211	30	24	6	54	8-7
91.	Akawainnoumi	26	87	30	24	6	54	8-7
92.	Domichi	19	242	33	20	13	53	8-7
93.	Taxinohana	115	73	31	22	9	53	8-7
94.	Wakudoyama	32	80	30	23	7	53	8-7
95.	Nantonoyama	54	46	30	23	7	53	8-7
96.	intarga	4	238	30	23	7	53	8-7
97.	Fujinowaka	10	94	30	23	7	53	8-7
98.	Oskanohana	68	57	29	24	5	53	8-7
99.	Barutonoumi	23	120	29	24	5	53	8-7
100.	BeebBuub *	1	290	32	20	12	52	8-7
101.	Rinnafuji *	1	291	32	20	12	52	8-7
102.	Sumonubi	2	230	32	20	12	52	8-7
103.	Octofuji	13	108	31	21	10	52	8-7
104.	Ullishimaru	143	69	30	22	8	52	8-7
105.	Okowan *	1	292	29	23	6	52	8-7
106.	Sukubidubidu	125	101	29	23	6	52	8-7
107.	Hankegami	14	91	29	23	6	52	8-7
108.	Anjinsan	10	159	30	21	9	51	8-7
109.	Velsi	22	65	30	21	9	51	8-7
110.	Pandaazuma	85	32	30	20	10	50	7-8
111.	Yoshio	23	42	29	21	8	50	7-8
112.	gtree10	8	103	29	21	8	50	7-8
113.	Roukii	3	196	29	21	8	50	7-8
114.	Kasamatsuri	121	137	28	22	6	50	7-8
115.	Ganzohnesushi	111	25	27	23	4	50	7-8
116.	Mondage	11	76	27	23	4	50	7-8
117.	Musubifuji	3	201	33	16	17	49	7-8
118.	Randy Savage	19	63	30	19	11	49	7-8
119.	Bombadil	2	227	30	19	11	49	7-8
120.	Fukurou (2)	9	163	30	19	11	49	7-8
121.	Nanikitanohito	6	131	29	20	9	49	7-8
122.	Akinomaki	84	77	28	21	7	49	7-8
123.	Kaiowaka	118	139	27	22	5	49	7-8
124.	Bill	110	105	29	19	10	48	7-8
125.	Renaldomoon	6	110	29	19	10	48	7-8
126.	Simon!	10	114	28	20	8	48	7-8
127.	Miwabe	10	67	28	20	8	48	7-8
128.	sabnoumi	5	141	27	21	6	48	7-8
129.	Sezhedifuji	5	157	27	21	6	48	7-8
130.	Kitakachiyama	97	102	26	22	4	48	7-8
131.	Benjinokuni *	1	297	26	22	4	48	7-8
132.	Frinkanohana	126	95	30	17	13	47	7-8
133.	Wakanosabi *	1	299	29	18	11	47	7-8
134.	Ardonite	4	172	29	18	11	47	7-8
135.	Itachiyama	103	50	28	19	9	47	7-8
136.	Brianzuna *	1	300	27	20	7	47	7-8
137.	Flohru	121	115	26	21	5	47	7-8
138.	Furanku	3	208	29	17	12	46	6-9
139.	Fzikawa	3	202	28	18	10	46	6-9
140.	Veshana	84	146	26	20	6	46	6-9
141.	BlckKnght	8	100	26	20	6	46	6-9
142.	ryuyama *	1	302	26	20	6	46	6-9
143.	Shatsume	48	79	28	17	11	45	6-9
144.	Shimanoumi	49	218	27	18	9	45	6-9
145.	Netakata	23	113	26	19	7	45	6-9
146.	VanDeBeast *	1	306	26	19	7	45	6-9
147.	OhnoOho	11	97	26	19	7	45	6-9
148.	Saruwatari II	30	60	26	19	7	45	6-9
149.	kostuek	4	204	28	16	12	44	6-9
150.	AoiyamaFan	4	189	27	17	10	44	6-9
151.	SoupDragon *	1	312	27	17	10	44	6-9
152.	EJC	2	237	26	18	8	44	6-9
153.	That1WhoLovesKotonowaka	4	185	24	20	4	44	6-9
154.	Darkeruusernamu *	1	313	24	20	4	44	6-9
155.	Hananofuji	7	134	29	14	15	43	6-9
156.	Jimizakura	2	245	27	16	11	43	6-9
157.	herbern	9	90	27	16	11	43	6-9
158.	Schwoosh	7	123	26	17	9	43	6-9
159.	Koshinoumi	10	83	25	18	7	43	6-9
160.	Wakatake	36	188	24	19	5	43	6-9
161.	ereesupaipaa	5	155	28	14	14	42	6-9
162.	Eiji	5	130	27	15	12	42	6-9
163.	Andonishiki	71	84	26	16	10	42	6-9
164.	Furuimori	19	142	25	17	8	42	6-9
165.	Ketsukai	104	151	24	18	6	42	6-9
166.	Andoreasu	134	117	26	15	11	41	5-10
167.	Kurasu	5	198	25	16	9	41	5-10
168.	Applefuji *	1	328	24	17	7	41	5-10
169.	Wamahada	92	138	27	13	14	40	5-10
170.	Lord kanz	2	229	26	14	12	40	5-10
171.	Wakaarashi	16	118	25	15	10	40	5-10
172.	Torafujii	104	124	25	15	10	40	5-10
173.	Tenshinhan	51	112	25	15	10	40	5-10
174.	Tupayumi	44	152	23	17	6	40	5-10
175.	Orandanoyama *	1	333	25	14	11	39	5-10
176.	Muhomatsu	64	109	25	14	11	39	5-10
177.	Taiseiyama	44	128	24	15	9	39	5-10
178.	Callum *	1	338	25	13	12	38	5-10
179.	Itchynotoe	21	98	25	13	12	38	5-10
180.	loran1212 *	1	339	25	13	12	38	5-10
181.	Miso Meow	3	216	26	11	15	37	5-10
182.	Kotononami	105	119	23	14	9	37	5-10
183.	Kintamayama	59	148	22	15	7	37	5-10
184.	Athenayama	39	161	22	15	7	37	5-10
185.	Hoshizakura	2	285	25	11	14	36	5-10
186.	kenshoryu *	1	346	24	12	12	36	5-10
187.	imaginethings	5	176	24	12	12	36	5-10
188.	Oshiyama	35	135	25	10	15	35	4-11
189.	Kagakusha *	1	352	23	12	11	35	4-11
190.	The Goonch	14	167	21	14	7	35	4-11
191.	Kaiomitsuki	106	106	21	14	7	35	4-11
192.	Mr.Rofl	26	145	24	10	14	34	4-11
193.	Leo Dickinson	22	129	22	12	10	34	4-11
194.	Kaminari no taiyo	17	183	21	13	8	34	4-11
195.	Hyomondoko	3	247	21	12	9	33	4-11
196.	Hokumikatsuki *	1	362	21	12	9	33	4-11
197.	Dekkai	3	223	21	12	9	33	4-11
198.	KatsumaBen	21	116	20	13	7	33	4-11
199.	Oshirokita	129	147	19	14	5	33	4-11
200.	BeccaD	3	209	22	10	12	32	4-11
201.	Nakagishi *	1	364	21	11	10	32	4-11
202.	Kcramsib	4	200	22	9	13	31	3-12
203.	Tamanaogijima	144	181	19	12	7	31	3-12
204.	Chisaiwashi	40	184	19	12	7	31	3-12
205.	Nivasta	9	190	21	9	12	30	3-12
206.	Abuza	3	276	19	11	8	30	3-12
207.	I am the Yokozuna	2	275	18	12	6	30	3-12
208.	4tunaTissim0 *	1	374	20	9	11	29	3-12
209.	Wakaflockakage *	1	375	18	11	7	29	3-12
210.	RaeucherLax	49	178	18	10	8	28	2-13
211.	Konishiki	17	170	18	10	8	28	2-13
212.	Fashiriteta	11	165	18	8	10	26	2-13
213.	Kinfushichojima	3	259	17	8	9	25	2-13
214.	Yubinhaad	143	180	18	6	12	24	1-14
215.	Tomodomo *	1	397	15	7	8	22	1-14
216.	jestemzeki	3	270	14	7	7	21	0-15

[Octofuji 357]

A rare kachikoshi for me! Thank you for the Christmas present :)

[Wakawakawaka 154]

GTB meta-banzuke.

Disaster averted at the top ranks as Yokozuna and both Ozeki cleared kadoban. Other items of interest...

- Asashosakari has done the bulk of the work on his latest Ozeki run (M1w: 15-0 Y, S1w, 12-3) , a 10-5 for Haru likely will be enough.

- Kishikaisei makes Komusubi debut.

- Akakyoryu, Sugakusha, and Yusho winner Hisui make their Makuuchi debuts.

- Flew makes Juryo debut.

Notable Banzuke-Gai

Takanorappa - A strong player in the early days of GTB. Debuted Hatsu 1999 with a 14-1 performance (first of 4), and from there proceeded to compete in 89 consecutive basho. Spent 8 basho ranked in the top 10, 38 consecutive basho in Makuuchi, and reached a career high rank of Sekiwake. His last Sekitori appearence was Hatsu 2013, and won his first and only Yusho in Kyushu 2015.
 
SHiFT - Debuted Aki 2019 and competed in 22 total basho. Within 10 basho SHiFT recorded two 14-1's, and five other double digit records (though two of those were DD losses). After quickly improving in consistency, in the last 10 basho of SHiFT's career (Kyushu 2021 to Nagoya 2023), he scored 8 double digit wins (including two 14-1's) and his worst record(s) were two 9-6's. SHiFT retired on top, at the #1 rank for his last 3 basho, and at a career high rank of Sekiwake. 

THE BANZUKE

Y1e: 10-5, 60	Goshobiyama	Y
O1w: 12-3, 66	Kaito	O	Reonito	O1e: 11-4, 63
S1e: 11-4, 63	Cheesofuji	S1	Asashosakari	S1w: 12-3, 66
		S2	TochiYESshin	K1e: 13-2, 67
K1w: 10-5, 62	Gurowake	K	Kishikaisei	M2w: 14-1, 68
M3e: 11-4, 64	BlackPinkMawashi	M1	Shoryuyama	M1w: 9-6, 56
S2w: 7-8, 47	Itachiyama	M2	Kale	M8e: 12-3, 65
M5e: 10-5, 61	Chiyonosawa	M3	Tim Sumo	M3w: 9-6, 58
M2e: 8-7, 53	Nantonoyama	M4	Asset	M11w: 14-1, 68
M4e: 9-6, 56	Heriokuno	M5	Pandaazuma	M1e: 7-8, 50
M12e: 14-1, 68	Beeftank	M6	Kobashi	M10w: 12-3, 66
M7w: 10-5, 60	Bunbukuchagama	M7	Korinokoishi	M6w: kosho
M7e: kosho	Sakura	M8	Oskanohana	M6e: 8-7, 53
M4w: 7-8, 50	Ganzohnesushi	M9	Akakyoryu	J2w: 13-2, 67
M9e: kosho	Pitinosato	M10	Sugakusha	J1e: 11-4, 63
M5w: 6-9, 45	Saruwatari II	M11	Hisui	J10e: 15-0, 71
M12w: 10-5, 62	ScreechingOwl	M12	Toranoshin	M11e: 9-6, 56
J1w: 10-5, 60	Susanoo	J1	Gonzaburow	M10e: 8-7, 54
M8w: 7-8, 50	Yoshio	J2	Oortael	J3w: 11-4, 63
J4e: 11-4, 64	AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA	J3	Randy Savage	M9w: 7-8, 49
J11w: 14-1, 68	Papayasu	J4	Kachikoshi	J12e: 14-1, 68
J5e: kosho	Gooner	J5	Wakudoyama	J2e: 8-7, 53
J6w: 10-5, 62	CaptSmarta$$	J6	Velsi	J3e: 8-7, 51
Ms2e: 14-1, 68	Balon	J7	Purichu Ruyaru	J8e: 10-5, 62
J6e: 8-7, 55	Chishafuwaku	J8	Jakusotsu	J7e: 8-7, 55
J13e: 11-4, 63	PaURA	J9	Doreikishi	J9e: kosho
J9w: kosho	Simon	J10	Taxinohana	J7w: 8-7, 53
J4w: 6-9, 45	Shatsume	J11	Masanoumi	Ms1e: 11-4, 63
J12w: 9-6, 56	Toshishugisha	J12	Ullishimaru	J11e: 8-7, 52
Ms2w: 10-5, 62	Flew	J13	Kitakachiyama	J10w: 7-8, 48
J14e: kosho	Chiyotasuke	J14	Akawainnoumi	J13w: 8-7, 54
Ms9w: 12-3, 65	Rikioi	Ms1	Yarimotsu	J14w: 8-7, 54
Ms3e: 9-6, 56	Kyotomo	Ms2	Takaryu	Ms3w: 9-6, 57
Ms1w: 8-7, 52	Sukubidubidu	Ms3	Fishomata	Ms7e: 10-5, 60
Ms10e: 11-4, 63	ChewieKen	Ms4	Zelerny	Ms11e: 11-4, 63
Ms7w: 9-6, 56	Kajiyanosho	Ms5	Pepenohana	Sd2e: 13-2, 67
Ms4w: 7-8, 47	Flohru	Ms6	Joezeki	Ms12e: 10-5, 62
J5w: kyujo	Konosato	Ms7	Ack!	Ms9e: 8-7, 55
Ms14e: 10-5, 62	Jejima	Ms8	Krakel	Sd3w: 12-3, 65
Ms8e: 7-8, 48	Miwabe	Ms9	Taeghan	Ms10w: 8-7, 54
Ms8w: 7-8, 49	Akinomaki	Ms10	Muhomatsu	Ms5e: 5-10, 39
J8w: kyujo	Tetsuba	Ms11	Heider	Ms16w: 9-6, 59
Sd11w: 12-3, 65	Duden	Ms12	Bill	Ms12w: 7-8, 48
Ms13e: 7-8, 47	Frinkanohana	Ms13	Barutonoumi	Ms15w: 8-7, 53
Sd1e: 9-6, 56	Wakawakawaka	Ms14	KatsumaBen	Ms6e: 4-11, 33
Sd1w: 9-6, 56	Shosei	Ms15	Kinoko	Ms17e: 8-7, 55
Sd12e: 11-4, 64	Tim W	Ms16	Supizakage	Ms16e: kosho
Ms13w: 6-9, 42	Andonishiki	Ms17	Shiroiokami	Sd10e: 10-5, 60
Ms11w: 5-10, 37	Kotononami	Sd1	Koshinoumi	Ms14w: 6-9, 43
Sd4w: 8-7, 55	Akagitsune	Sd2	Hankegami	Sd5e: 8-7, 52
Sd18e: 11-4, 64	ballerscuba	Sd3	Mondage	Sd4e: 7-8, 50
Ms15e: 5-10, 38	Itchynotoe	Sd4	Golynohana	Ms4e: kyujo
Sd3e: 6-9, 43	herbern	Sd5	Tyerenex	Sd15w: 9-6, 59
Ms17w: 5-10, 40	Wakaarashi	Sd6	Hoshotakamoto	Ms5w: kyujo
Sd17e: 9-6, 57	Hashibamiyama	Sd7	glacier	Ms6w: kyujo
Sd6w: 6-9, 45	OhnoOho	Sd8	Fia	Sd19e: 9-6, 58
Sd15e: 8-7, 53	Fujinowaka	Sd9	Schwoosh	Sd7e: 6-9, 43
Sd25e: 10-5, 60	Hakunojo	Sd10	Ichinanjo	Sd10w: kosho
Sd11e: kosho	makafuji	Sd11	Netakata	Sd8w: 6-9, 45
Sd21w: 9-6, 59	Mowse	Sd12	Octofuji	Sd17w: 8-7, 52
Sd5w: 5-10, 41	Andoreasu	Sd13	Kotokishi	Sd13w: kosho
Jd2e: 11-4, 63	Kaerufuji	Sd14	Joputosu	Sd22w: 9-6, 58
Sd24e: 9-6, 56	Yagikunshu	Sd15	Chiyohanakuso	Jd7w: 11-4, 63
Sd16e: kosho	Kowaiiazumaya	Sd16	Torafujii	Sd9e: 5-10, 40
Sd14w: 6-9, 46	BlckKnght	Sd17	Oshirokita	Sd7w: 4-11, 33
Sd8e: 4-11, 34	Leo Dickinson	Sd18	Manatsumai	Sd18w: kosho
Sd12w: 5-10, 40	Tenshinhan	Sd19	HarlanT	Jd8e: 10-5, 61
Sd22e: 7-8, 50	gtree10	Sd20	sabnoumi	Sd23e: 7-8, 48
Sd19w: 6-9, 42	Eiji	Sd21	SumoandSand	Sd28e: 8-7, 54
Jd46w: 14-1, 68	Tenguhoho	Sd22	Wakatakasake	Jd6w: 9-6, 59
Sd16w: 5-10, 39	Taiseiyama	Sd23	Isokiho	Sd23w: kosho
Jd8w: 9-6, 57	Jdpbarber	Sd24	hakuhoforpresident	Sd24w: kosho
Sd26w: 7-8, 48	Renaldomoon	Sd25	Simon!	Sd27w: 7-8, 48
Sd26e: kosho	IQ	Sd26	Doraiumi	Jd46e: 13-2, 67
Sd20e: 5-10, 37	Kintamayama	Sd27	asanosanpo	Jd42w: 12-3, 66
Sd2w: kyujo	RyanTradesFutures	Sd28	Tenisukoto	Sd28w: kosho
Sd29e: kosho	Eureka_1	Sd29	Ardonite	Jd5e: 7-8, 47
Jd1e: kosho	Mazu	Jd1	Sakurion	Jd1w: kosho
Sd20w: 4-11, 35	Oshiyama	Jd2	Roukii	Jd7e: 7-8, 50
Jd3e: kosho	Atrumus	Jd3	Wakaotori	Jd15w: 8-7, 54
Sd21e: 4-11, 35	Kaiomitsuki	Jd4	Jaminake	Jd4w: kosho
Jd24e: 9-6, 58	Kotowazasato	Jd5	Silent_Coup	Jd5w: kosho
Jd6e: kosho	Koorifuu	Jd6	cranberrytea	Jd26e: 9-6, 57
Jd2w: 6-9, 42	ereesupaipaa	Jd7	Leonishiki	Sd6e: kyujo
Jd27w: 9-6, 57	Hobbobgob	Jd8	Kasamatsuri	Jd12w: 7-8, 50
Jd16e: 7-8, 49	Kaiowaka	Jd9	Keeparu	Jd9w: kosho
Sd9w: kyujo	Unkonoyama	Jd10	Furuimori	Jd10e: 6-9, 42
Jd10w: 6-9, 43	Hananofuji	Jd11	Mr.Rofl	Sd27e: 4-11, 34
Jd3w: 5-10, 40	Wamahada	Jd12	Modra	Jd44e: 10-5, 60
Jd13e: kosho	eperon	Jd13	matrix	Jd13w: kosho
Jd14w: 6-9, 46	Veshana	Jd14	Mariohana	Jd14e: kosho
Jd4e: 5-10, 41	Kurasu	Jd15	Musubifuji	Jd20w: 7-8, 49
Jd21e: 7-8, 49	Nanikitanohito	Jd16	Shimanoumi	Jd15e: 6-9, 45
Sd13e: kyujo	Tombo	Jd17	Aminoumi	Jd17w: kosho
Jk17w: 12-3, 66	slayakaya	Jd18	Moshogaeru	Sd14e: kyujo
Jd19e: kosho	StreetwearLegendAbi	Jd19	Ketsukai	Jd18w: 6-9, 42
Jd35w: 8-7, 51	Anjinsan	Jd20	Tupayumi	Jd11w: 5-10, 40
Jd39e: 8-7, 55	Multimikstar	Jd21	jjdynasty	Jd21w: kosho
Jd22e: kosho	Devined	Jd22	Wakatake	Jd23e: 6-9, 43
Jd32w: 7-8, 48	Sezhedifuji	Jd23	Athenayama	Jd18e: 5-10, 37
Jd28e: 6-9, 46	Fzikawa	Jd24	Nutzername	Jd24w: kosho
Jd25e: kosho	Kujo	Jd25	AoiyamaFan	Jd31e: 6-9, 44
JkTD: 11-4, 63	Sakurahoro	Jd26	Bombadil	Jd40w: 7-8, 49
Jd33e: 6-9, 44	That1WhoLovesKotonowaka	Jd27	The Goonch	Jd17e: 4-11, 35
Jd43e: 7-8, 49	Fukurou (2)	Jd28	Lord kanz	Jd30w: 5-10, 40
Jd29e: kosho	Papiyama	Jd29	Kyoshiro	JkTD: 10-5, 61
Jd30e: kosho	jalax	Jd30	Haregeto	JkTD: 10-5, 60
Jd31w: 5-10, 36	imaginethings	Jd31	Sumonubi	Jd56e: 8-7, 52
Sd25w: kyujo	Indorfin	Jd32	BeccaD	Jd28w: 4-11, 32
Jd22w: 3-12, 31	Kcramsib	Jd33	intarga	Jk11w: 8-7, 53
JkTD: 9-6, 58	Hoodoryufuji	Jd34	DolorousClem	Jd34w: kosho
Jd35e: kosho	thanike	Jd35	EJC	Jd48e: 6-9, 44
Jk14e: 8-7, 53	Domichi	Jd36	Furanku	Jd50w: 6-9, 46
Jd37e: kosho	Kamahiko	Jd37	chenrip	Jd37w: kosho
Jd38e: kosho	Taker4Y	Jd38	EasyFirst	Jd38w: kosho
Sd29w: kyujo	Kashunowaka	Jd39	Tsukishiryo	Jd39w: kosho
Jd40e: kosho	Dankohikari	Jd40	Yubinhaad	Jd11e: 1-14, 24
JkTD: 8-7, 55	Brice	Jd41	Yakobu	Jd41w: kosho
Jd42e: kosho	Skyden	Jd42	Ace_Ranger	JkTD: 8-7, 55
JkTD: 8-7, 52	BeebBuub	Jd43	Rinnafuji	JkTD: 8-7, 52
JkTD: 8-7, 52	Okowan	Jd44	Konishiki	Jd23w: 2-13, 28
Jd32e: 3-12, 31	Chisaiwashi	Jd45	Gilgamesh	Jd9e: kyujo
Jk1e: 6-9, 44	kostuek	Jd46	Fashiriteta	Jd25w: 2-13, 26
Jd47e: kosho	Chijanofuji	Jd47	Nandeanee	Jd47w: kosho
Jd26w: 2-13, 28	RaeucherLax	Jd48	Jimizakura	Jk4e: 6-9, 43
Jd12e: kyujo	Hidenotora	Jd49	Tamanaogijima	Jd36w: 3-12, 31
Jd50e: kosho	Paruma	Jd50	Miso Meow	Jd53e: 5-10, 37
Jd51e: kosho	SubmergedBass	Jd51	Benjinokuni	JkTD: 7-8, 48
Jd52e: kosho	Katoomaru	Jd52	Mokuseinoisu	Jd52w: kosho
JkTD: 7-8, 47	Wakanosabi	Jd53	Brianzuna	JkTD: 7-8, 47
Jd54e: kosho	Yokodano	Jd54	TMF	Jd54w: kosho
Jd55e: kosho	Jirkush	Jd55	Hagemaru	Jd55w: kosho
Jd16w: kyujo	BariiHachiBenson	Jd56	Kaminari no taiyo	Jd49e: 4-11, 34
Jd19w: kyujo	Mitsuanaguma	Jd57	Tsuchinoninjin	Jd20e: kyujo
JkTD: 6-9, 46	ryuyama	Jd58
JkTD: 6-9, 45	VanDeBeast	Jk1	Obi-Wahn	Jk1w: kosho
Jk2e: kosho	Hakunoho	Jk2	Whattaboutsumo	Jk2w: kosho
Jk3e: kosho	neerrm	Jk3	Komburyu	Jk3w: kosho
JkTD: 6-9, 44	SoupDragon	Jk4	M	Jk4w: kosho
JkTD: 6-9, 44	Darkeruusernamu	Jk5	Nishinami	Jk5w: kosho
Jk6e: kosho	Iwabito Aizakku	Jk6	Gokujira	Jk6w: kosho
Jd57e: 4-11, 33	Dekkai	Jk7	Speck00	Jd27e: kyujo
Jk8e: kosho	Wakatakakater	Jk8	PattyP	Jd29w: kyujo
JkTD: 5-10, 41	Applefuji	Jk9	Orandanoyama	JkTD: 5-10, 39
Jk10e: kosho	Doidesemu	Jk10	Megamonster1234	Jk10w: kosho
JkTD: 5-10, 38	Callum	Jk11	loran1212	JkTD: 5-10, 38
JkTD: 5-10, 36	Hoshizakura	Jk12	kenshoryu	JkTD: 5-10, 36
Jk13e: kosho	Tsunama	Jk13	Javinofuji	Jk13w: kosho
Jd56w: 3-12, 30	Nivasta	Jk14	Orandayama	Jd33w: kyujo
Jd34e: kyujo	Kuroneko	Jk15	sadako	Jd36e: kyujo
Jd53w: 2-13, 25	Kinfushichojima	Jk16	Hyomondoko	Jk25w: 4-11, 33
JkTD: 4-11, 35	Kagakusha	Jk17	Hokumikatsuki	JkTD: 4-11, 33
JkTD: 4-11, 32	Nakagishi	Jk18	GR SUMO	Jd41e: kyujo
Jk18e: 3-12, 30	I am the Yokozuna	Jk19	Gair	Jd43w: kyujo
Jd44w: kyujo	OShogun	Jk20	Fatakeisho	Jd45e: kyujo
Jd45w: kyujo	asamifuji	Jk21	Abuza	JkTD: 3-12, 30
JkTD: 3-12, 29	4tunaTissim0	Jk22	Wakaflockakage	JkTD: 3-12, 29
Jk23e: kosho	Tsurkareta kaeru	Jk23	Faustonowaka	Jk23w: kosho
Jd48w: kyujo	Makayasu	Jk24	Suwihuto	Jd49w: kyujo
Jd51w: kyujo	Dare	Jk25	Tomodomo	JkTD: 1-14, 22
Jk26e: kosho	Trump 24	Jk26	Takaratakara	Jk26w: kosho
Jk27e: kosho	Chiyotsuki	Jk27	jestemzeki	Jk19e: 0-15, 21

 

[Jejima 1,398]

On 25/12/2024 at 04:53, Kintamayama said:

 

To see how you did: http://www.dichne/com/Guess.htm

 

Should be  http://www.dichne.com/Guess.htm

 

[Kintamayama 45,203]

7 hours ago, Jejima said:

Should be  http://www.dichne.com/Guess.htm

 

Indeed and fixed. My two most used words lately.

[Kintamayama 45,203]

23 hours ago, Wakawakawaka said:

Real Banzuke etc..

 

Incredible endeavor. Thank you so much for dong this- Maybe I'll post it as the "normal" banzuke on the site together with the "weird" one, if you will allow it. One question - why is Makuuchi only 32 rikishi? Juryo has the 28, but why less in Makuuchi?

Again, thanks for this. Incredible.

Edited December 26, 2024 by Kintamayama

[Gurowake 4,088]

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

Incredible endeavor. Thank you so much for dong this- Maybe I'll post it as the "normal" banzuke on the site together with the "weird" one, if you will allow it. One question - why is Makuuchi only 32 rikishi? Juryo has the 28, but why less in Makuuchi?

Again, thanks for this. Incredible.

I don't want to critique this too harshly because there was clearly a ton of work put into it, but I'm just really unsure how the whole thing works.  There certainly has to be some method that made him separate Asset and Beeftank with two additional people despite them being adjacent ranked previously and getting the same score, suggesting the two people between them have rank/result combos that are effectively the same as one of those two, but I have no idea in what manner one would come to that conclusion.  I have no reason to believe that there was any rigorous thought was put into this.  Even if you want to argue little such thought went into the Ozumo banzuke, the fact that the same people do pretty well in guessing what it will be says there's a very large percentage of systematic movements at play, but I just don't see it here in his banzuke.  It's not like it's obviously wrong anywhere, but I much prefer using some system that's as close as possible to being transparent, and this looks totally opaque to me.

 

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

On 25/12/2024 at 12:55, Wakawakawaka said:

GTB meta-banzuke.

Disaster averted at the top ranks as Yokozuna and both Ozeki cleared kadoban. Other items of interest...

- Asashosakari has done the bulk of the work on his latest Ozeki run (M1w: 15-0 Y, S1w, 12-3) , a 10-5 for Haru likely will be enough.

- Kishikaisei makes Komusubi debut.

- Akakyoryu, Sugakusha, and Yusho winner Hisui make their Makuuchi debuts.

- Flew makes Juryo debut.

Notable Banzuke-Gai

Takanorappa - A strong player in the early days of GTB. Debuted Hatsu 1999 with a 14-1 performance (first of 4), and from there proceeded to compete in 89 consecutive basho. Spent 8 basho ranked in the top 10, 38 consecutive basho in Makuuchi, and reached a career high rank of Sekiwake. His last Sekitori appearence was Hatsu 2013, and won his first and only Yusho in Kyushu 2015.
 
SHiFT - Debuted Aki 2019 and competed in 22 total basho. Within 10 basho SHiFT recorded two 14-1's, and five other double digit records (though two of those were DD losses). After quickly improving in consistency, in the last 10 basho of SHiFT's career (Kyushu 2021 to Nagoya 2023), he scored 8 double digit wins (including two 14-1's) and his worst record(s) were two 9-6's. SHiFT retired on top, at the #1 rank for his last 3 basho, and at a career high rank of Sekiwake. 

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Y1e: 10-5, 60	Goshobiyama	Y
O1w: 12-3, 66	Kaito	O	Reonito	O1e: 11-4, 63
S1e: 11-4, 63	Cheesofuji	S1	Asashosakari	S1w: 12-3, 66
		S2	TochiYESshin	K1e: 13-2, 67
K1w: 10-5, 62	Gurowake	K	Kishikaisei	M2w: 14-1, 68
M3e: 11-4, 64	BlackPinkMawashi	M1	Shoryuyama	M1w: 9-6, 56
S2w: 7-8, 47	Itachiyama	M2	Kale	M8e: 12-3, 65
M5e: 10-5, 61	Chiyonosawa	M3	Tim Sumo	M3w: 9-6, 58
M2e: 8-7, 53	Nantonoyama	M4	Asset	M11w: 14-1, 68
M4e: 9-6, 56	Heriokuno	M5	Pandaazuma	M1e: 7-8, 50
M12e: 14-1, 68	Beeftank	M6	Kobashi	M10w: 12-3, 66
M7w: 10-5, 60	Bunbukuchagama	M7	Korinokoishi	M6w: kosho
M7e: kosho	Sakura	M8	Oskanohana	M6e: 8-7, 53
M4w: 7-8, 50	Ganzohnesushi	M9	Akakyoryu	J2w: 13-2, 67
M9e: kosho	Pitinosato	M10	Sugakusha	J1e: 11-4, 63
M5w: 6-9, 45	Saruwatari II	M11	Hisui	J10e: 15-0, 71
M12w: 10-5, 62	ScreechingOwl	M12	Toranoshin	M11e: 9-6, 56
J1w: 10-5, 60	Susanoo	J1	Gonzaburow	M10e: 8-7, 54
M8w: 7-8, 50	Yoshio	J2	Oortael	J3w: 11-4, 63
J4e: 11-4, 64	AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA	J3	Randy Savage	M9w: 7-8, 49
J11w: 14-1, 68	Papayasu	J4	Kachikoshi	J12e: 14-1, 68
J5e: kosho	Gooner	J5	Wakudoyama	J2e: 8-7, 53
J6w: 10-5, 62	CaptSmarta$$	J6	Velsi	J3e: 8-7, 51
Ms2e: 14-1, 68	Balon	J7	Purichu Ruyaru	J8e: 10-5, 62
J6e: 8-7, 55	Chishafuwaku	J8	Jakusotsu	J7e: 8-7, 55
J13e: 11-4, 63	PaURA	J9	Doreikishi	J9e: kosho
J9w: kosho	Simon	J10	Taxinohana	J7w: 8-7, 53
J4w: 6-9, 45	Shatsume	J11	Masanoumi	Ms1e: 11-4, 63
J12w: 9-6, 56	Toshishugisha	J12	Ullishimaru	J11e: 8-7, 52
Ms2w: 10-5, 62	Flew	J13	Kitakachiyama	J10w: 7-8, 48
J14e: kosho	Chiyotasuke	J14	Akawainnoumi	J13w: 8-7, 54
Ms9w: 12-3, 65	Rikioi	Ms1	Yarimotsu	J14w: 8-7, 54
Ms3e: 9-6, 56	Kyotomo	Ms2	Takaryu	Ms3w: 9-6, 57
Ms1w: 8-7, 52	Sukubidubidu	Ms3	Fishomata	Ms7e: 10-5, 60
Ms10e: 11-4, 63	ChewieKen	Ms4	Zelerny	Ms11e: 11-4, 63
Ms7w: 9-6, 56	Kajiyanosho	Ms5	Pepenohana	Sd2e: 13-2, 67
Ms4w: 7-8, 47	Flohru	Ms6	Joezeki	Ms12e: 10-5, 62
J5w: kyujo	Konosato	Ms7	Ack!	Ms9e: 8-7, 55
Ms14e: 10-5, 62	Jejima	Ms8	Krakel	Sd3w: 12-3, 65
Ms8e: 7-8, 48	Miwabe	Ms9	Taeghan	Ms10w: 8-7, 54
Ms8w: 7-8, 49	Akinomaki	Ms10	Muhomatsu	Ms5e: 5-10, 39
J8w: kyujo	Tetsuba	Ms11	Heider	Ms16w: 9-6, 59
Sd11w: 12-3, 65	Duden	Ms12	Bill	Ms12w: 7-8, 48
Ms13e: 7-8, 47	Frinkanohana	Ms13	Barutonoumi	Ms15w: 8-7, 53
Sd1e: 9-6, 56	Wakawakawaka	Ms14	KatsumaBen	Ms6e: 4-11, 33
Sd1w: 9-6, 56	Shosei	Ms15	Kinoko	Ms17e: 8-7, 55
Sd12e: 11-4, 64	Tim W	Ms16	Supizakage	Ms16e: kosho
Ms13w: 6-9, 42	Andonishiki	Ms17	Shiroiokami	Sd10e: 10-5, 60
Ms11w: 5-10, 37	Kotononami	Sd1	Koshinoumi	Ms14w: 6-9, 43
Sd4w: 8-7, 55	Akagitsune	Sd2	Hankegami	Sd5e: 8-7, 52
Sd18e: 11-4, 64	ballerscuba	Sd3	Mondage	Sd4e: 7-8, 50
Ms15e: 5-10, 38	Itchynotoe	Sd4	Golynohana	Ms4e: kyujo
Sd3e: 6-9, 43	herbern	Sd5	Tyerenex	Sd15w: 9-6, 59
Ms17w: 5-10, 40	Wakaarashi	Sd6	Hoshotakamoto	Ms5w: kyujo
Sd17e: 9-6, 57	Hashibamiyama	Sd7	glacier	Ms6w: kyujo
Sd6w: 6-9, 45	OhnoOho	Sd8	Fia	Sd19e: 9-6, 58
Sd15e: 8-7, 53	Fujinowaka	Sd9	Schwoosh	Sd7e: 6-9, 43
Sd25e: 10-5, 60	Hakunojo	Sd10	Ichinanjo	Sd10w: kosho
Sd11e: kosho	makafuji	Sd11	Netakata	Sd8w: 6-9, 45
Sd21w: 9-6, 59	Mowse	Sd12	Octofuji	Sd17w: 8-7, 52
Sd5w: 5-10, 41	Andoreasu	Sd13	Kotokishi	Sd13w: kosho
Jd2e: 11-4, 63	Kaerufuji	Sd14	Joputosu	Sd22w: 9-6, 58
Sd24e: 9-6, 56	Yagikunshu	Sd15	Chiyohanakuso	Jd7w: 11-4, 63
Sd16e: kosho	Kowaiiazumaya	Sd16	Torafujii	Sd9e: 5-10, 40
Sd14w: 6-9, 46	BlckKnght	Sd17	Oshirokita	Sd7w: 4-11, 33
Sd8e: 4-11, 34	Leo Dickinson	Sd18	Manatsumai	Sd18w: kosho
Sd12w: 5-10, 40	Tenshinhan	Sd19	HarlanT	Jd8e: 10-5, 61
Sd22e: 7-8, 50	gtree10	Sd20	sabnoumi	Sd23e: 7-8, 48
Sd19w: 6-9, 42	Eiji	Sd21	SumoandSand	Sd28e: 8-7, 54
Jd46w: 14-1, 68	Tenguhoho	Sd22	Wakatakasake	Jd6w: 9-6, 59
Sd16w: 5-10, 39	Taiseiyama	Sd23	Isokiho	Sd23w: kosho
Jd8w: 9-6, 57	Jdpbarber	Sd24	hakuhoforpresident	Sd24w: kosho
Sd26w: 7-8, 48	Renaldomoon	Sd25	Simon!	Sd27w: 7-8, 48
Sd26e: kosho	IQ	Sd26	Doraiumi	Jd46e: 13-2, 67
Sd20e: 5-10, 37	Kintamayama	Sd27	asanosanpo	Jd42w: 12-3, 66
Sd2w: kyujo	RyanTradesFutures	Sd28	Tenisukoto	Sd28w: kosho
Sd29e: kosho	Eureka_1	Sd29	Ardonite	Jd5e: 7-8, 47
Jd1e: kosho	Mazu	Jd1	Sakurion	Jd1w: kosho
Sd20w: 4-11, 35	Oshiyama	Jd2	Roukii	Jd7e: 7-8, 50
Jd3e: kosho	Atrumus	Jd3	Wakaotori	Jd15w: 8-7, 54
Sd21e: 4-11, 35	Kaiomitsuki	Jd4	Jaminake	Jd4w: kosho
Jd24e: 9-6, 58	Kotowazasato	Jd5	Silent_Coup	Jd5w: kosho
Jd6e: kosho	Koorifuu	Jd6	cranberrytea	Jd26e: 9-6, 57
Jd2w: 6-9, 42	ereesupaipaa	Jd7	Leonishiki	Sd6e: kyujo
Jd27w: 9-6, 57	Hobbobgob	Jd8	Kasamatsuri	Jd12w: 7-8, 50
Jd16e: 7-8, 49	Kaiowaka	Jd9	Keeparu	Jd9w: kosho
Sd9w: kyujo	Unkonoyama	Jd10	Furuimori	Jd10e: 6-9, 42
Jd10w: 6-9, 43	Hananofuji	Jd11	Mr.Rofl	Sd27e: 4-11, 34
Jd3w: 5-10, 40	Wamahada	Jd12	Modra	Jd44e: 10-5, 60
Jd13e: kosho	eperon	Jd13	matrix	Jd13w: kosho
Jd14w: 6-9, 46	Veshana	Jd14	Mariohana	Jd14e: kosho
Jd4e: 5-10, 41	Kurasu	Jd15	Musubifuji	Jd20w: 7-8, 49
Jd21e: 7-8, 49	Nanikitanohito	Jd16	Shimanoumi	Jd15e: 6-9, 45
Sd13e: kyujo	Tombo	Jd17	Aminoumi	Jd17w: kosho
Jk17w: 12-3, 66	slayakaya	Jd18	Moshogaeru	Sd14e: kyujo
Jd19e: kosho	StreetwearLegendAbi	Jd19	Ketsukai	Jd18w: 6-9, 42
Jd35w: 8-7, 51	Anjinsan	Jd20	Tupayumi	Jd11w: 5-10, 40
Jd39e: 8-7, 55	Multimikstar	Jd21	jjdynasty	Jd21w: kosho
Jd22e: kosho	Devined	Jd22	Wakatake	Jd23e: 6-9, 43
Jd32w: 7-8, 48	Sezhedifuji	Jd23	Athenayama	Jd18e: 5-10, 37
Jd28e: 6-9, 46	Fzikawa	Jd24	Nutzername	Jd24w: kosho
Jd25e: kosho	Kujo	Jd25	AoiyamaFan	Jd31e: 6-9, 44
JkTD: 11-4, 63	Sakurahoro	Jd26	Bombadil	Jd40w: 7-8, 49
Jd33e: 6-9, 44	That1WhoLovesKotonowaka	Jd27	The Goonch	Jd17e: 4-11, 35
Jd43e: 7-8, 49	Fukurou (2)	Jd28	Lord kanz	Jd30w: 5-10, 40
Jd29e: kosho	Papiyama	Jd29	Kyoshiro	JkTD: 10-5, 61
Jd30e: kosho	jalax	Jd30	Haregeto	JkTD: 10-5, 60
Jd31w: 5-10, 36	imaginethings	Jd31	Sumonubi	Jd56e: 8-7, 52
Sd25w: kyujo	Indorfin	Jd32	BeccaD	Jd28w: 4-11, 32
Jd22w: 3-12, 31	Kcramsib	Jd33	intarga	Jk11w: 8-7, 53
JkTD: 9-6, 58	Hoodoryufuji	Jd34	DolorousClem	Jd34w: kosho
Jd35e: kosho	thanike	Jd35	EJC	Jd48e: 6-9, 44
Jk14e: 8-7, 53	Domichi	Jd36	Furanku	Jd50w: 6-9, 46
Jd37e: kosho	Kamahiko	Jd37	chenrip	Jd37w: kosho
Jd38e: kosho	Taker4Y	Jd38	EasyFirst	Jd38w: kosho
Sd29w: kyujo	Kashunowaka	Jd39	Tsukishiryo	Jd39w: kosho
Jd40e: kosho	Dankohikari	Jd40	Yubinhaad	Jd11e: 1-14, 24
JkTD: 8-7, 55	Brice	Jd41	Yakobu	Jd41w: kosho
Jd42e: kosho	Skyden	Jd42	Ace_Ranger	JkTD: 8-7, 55
JkTD: 8-7, 52	BeebBuub	Jd43	Rinnafuji	JkTD: 8-7, 52
JkTD: 8-7, 52	Okowan	Jd44	Konishiki	Jd23w: 2-13, 28
Jd32e: 3-12, 31	Chisaiwashi	Jd45	Gilgamesh	Jd9e: kyujo
Jk1e: 6-9, 44	kostuek	Jd46	Fashiriteta	Jd25w: 2-13, 26
Jd47e: kosho	Chijanofuji	Jd47	Nandeanee	Jd47w: kosho
Jd26w: 2-13, 28	RaeucherLax	Jd48	Jimizakura	Jk4e: 6-9, 43
Jd12e: kyujo	Hidenotora	Jd49	Tamanaogijima	Jd36w: 3-12, 31
Jd50e: kosho	Paruma	Jd50	Miso Meow	Jd53e: 5-10, 37
Jd51e: kosho	SubmergedBass	Jd51	Benjinokuni	JkTD: 7-8, 48
Jd52e: kosho	Katoomaru	Jd52	Mokuseinoisu	Jd52w: kosho
JkTD: 7-8, 47	Wakanosabi	Jd53	Brianzuna	JkTD: 7-8, 47
Jd54e: kosho	Yokodano	Jd54	TMF	Jd54w: kosho
Jd55e: kosho	Jirkush	Jd55	Hagemaru	Jd55w: kosho
Jd16w: kyujo	BariiHachiBenson	Jd56	Kaminari no taiyo	Jd49e: 4-11, 34
Jd19w: kyujo	Mitsuanaguma	Jd57	Tsuchinoninjin	Jd20e: kyujo
JkTD: 6-9, 46	ryuyama	Jd58
JkTD: 6-9, 45	VanDeBeast	Jk1	Obi-Wahn	Jk1w: kosho
Jk2e: kosho	Hakunoho	Jk2	Whattaboutsumo	Jk2w: kosho
Jk3e: kosho	neerrm	Jk3	Komburyu	Jk3w: kosho
JkTD: 6-9, 44	SoupDragon	Jk4	M	Jk4w: kosho
JkTD: 6-9, 44	Darkeruusernamu	Jk5	Nishinami	Jk5w: kosho
Jk6e: kosho	Iwabito Aizakku	Jk6	Gokujira	Jk6w: kosho
Jd57e: 4-11, 33	Dekkai	Jk7	Speck00	Jd27e: kyujo
Jk8e: kosho	Wakatakakater	Jk8	PattyP	Jd29w: kyujo
JkTD: 5-10, 41	Applefuji	Jk9	Orandanoyama	JkTD: 5-10, 39
Jk10e: kosho	Doidesemu	Jk10	Megamonster1234	Jk10w: kosho
JkTD: 5-10, 38	Callum	Jk11	loran1212	JkTD: 5-10, 38
JkTD: 5-10, 36	Hoshizakura	Jk12	kenshoryu	JkTD: 5-10, 36
Jk13e: kosho	Tsunama	Jk13	Javinofuji	Jk13w: kosho
Jd56w: 3-12, 30	Nivasta	Jk14	Orandayama	Jd33w: kyujo
Jd34e: kyujo	Kuroneko	Jk15	sadako	Jd36e: kyujo
Jd53w: 2-13, 25	Kinfushichojima	Jk16	Hyomondoko	Jk25w: 4-11, 33
JkTD: 4-11, 35	Kagakusha	Jk17	Hokumikatsuki	JkTD: 4-11, 33
JkTD: 4-11, 32	Nakagishi	Jk18	GR SUMO	Jd41e: kyujo
Jk18e: 3-12, 30	I am the Yokozuna	Jk19	Gair	Jd43w: kyujo
Jd44w: kyujo	OShogun	Jk20	Fatakeisho	Jd45e: kyujo
Jd45w: kyujo	asamifuji	Jk21	Abuza	JkTD: 3-12, 30
JkTD: 3-12, 29	4tunaTissim0	Jk22	Wakaflockakage	JkTD: 3-12, 29
Jk23e: kosho	Tsurkareta kaeru	Jk23	Faustonowaka	Jk23w: kosho
Jd48w: kyujo	Makayasu	Jk24	Suwihuto	Jd49w: kyujo
Jd51w: kyujo	Dare	Jk25	Tomodomo	JkTD: 1-14, 22
Jk26e: kosho	Trump 24	Jk26	Takaratakara	Jk26w: kosho
Jk27e: kosho	Chiyotsuki	Jk27	jestemzeki	Jk19e: 0-15, 21

 

 

 

wait are there other posts like this?

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

On 25/12/2024 at 12:55, Wakawakawaka said:

GTB meta-banzuke.

Disaster averted at the top ranks as Yokozuna and both Ozeki cleared kadoban. Other items of interest...

- Asashosakari has done the bulk of the work on his latest Ozeki run (M1w: 15-0 Y, S1w, 12-3) , a 10-5 for Haru likely will be enough.

- Kishikaisei makes Komusubi debut.

- Akakyoryu, Sugakusha, and Yusho winner Hisui make their Makuuchi debuts.

- Flew makes Juryo debut.

Notable Banzuke-Gai

Takanorappa - A strong player in the early days of GTB. Debuted Hatsu 1999 with a 14-1 performance (first of 4), and from there proceeded to compete in 89 consecutive basho. Spent 8 basho ranked in the top 10, 38 consecutive basho in Makuuchi, and reached a career high rank of Sekiwake. His last Sekitori appearence was Hatsu 2013, and won his first and only Yusho in Kyushu 2015.
 
SHiFT - Debuted Aki 2019 and competed in 22 total basho. Within 10 basho SHiFT recorded two 14-1's, and five other double digit records (though two of those were DD losses). After quickly improving in consistency, in the last 10 basho of SHiFT's career (Kyushu 2021 to Nagoya 2023), he scored 8 double digit wins (including two 14-1's) and his worst record(s) were two 9-6's. SHiFT retired on top, at the #1 rank for his last 3 basho, and at a career high rank of Sekiwake. 

THE BANZUKE

 

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Y1e: 10-5, 60	Goshobiyama	Y
O1w: 12-3, 66	Kaito	O	Reonito	O1e: 11-4, 63
S1e: 11-4, 63	Cheesofuji	S1	Asashosakari	S1w: 12-3, 66
		S2	TochiYESshin	K1e: 13-2, 67
K1w: 10-5, 62	Gurowake	K	Kishikaisei	M2w: 14-1, 68
M3e: 11-4, 64	BlackPinkMawashi	M1	Shoryuyama	M1w: 9-6, 56
S2w: 7-8, 47	Itachiyama	M2	Kale	M8e: 12-3, 65
M5e: 10-5, 61	Chiyonosawa	M3	Tim Sumo	M3w: 9-6, 58
M2e: 8-7, 53	Nantonoyama	M4	Asset	M11w: 14-1, 68
M4e: 9-6, 56	Heriokuno	M5	Pandaazuma	M1e: 7-8, 50
M12e: 14-1, 68	Beeftank	M6	Kobashi	M10w: 12-3, 66
M7w: 10-5, 60	Bunbukuchagama	M7	Korinokoishi	M6w: kosho
M7e: kosho	Sakura	M8	Oskanohana	M6e: 8-7, 53
M4w: 7-8, 50	Ganzohnesushi	M9	Akakyoryu	J2w: 13-2, 67
M9e: kosho	Pitinosato	M10	Sugakusha	J1e: 11-4, 63
M5w: 6-9, 45	Saruwatari II	M11	Hisui	J10e: 15-0, 71
M12w: 10-5, 62	ScreechingOwl	M12	Toranoshin	M11e: 9-6, 56
J1w: 10-5, 60	Susanoo	J1	Gonzaburow	M10e: 8-7, 54
M8w: 7-8, 50	Yoshio	J2	Oortael	J3w: 11-4, 63
J4e: 11-4, 64	AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA	J3	Randy Savage	M9w: 7-8, 49
J11w: 14-1, 68	Papayasu	J4	Kachikoshi	J12e: 14-1, 68
J5e: kosho	Gooner	J5	Wakudoyama	J2e: 8-7, 53
J6w: 10-5, 62	CaptSmarta$$	J6	Velsi	J3e: 8-7, 51
Ms2e: 14-1, 68	Balon	J7	Purichu Ruyaru	J8e: 10-5, 62
J6e: 8-7, 55	Chishafuwaku	J8	Jakusotsu	J7e: 8-7, 55
J13e: 11-4, 63	PaURA	J9	Doreikishi	J9e: kosho
J9w: kosho	Simon	J10	Taxinohana	J7w: 8-7, 53
J4w: 6-9, 45	Shatsume	J11	Masanoumi	Ms1e: 11-4, 63
J12w: 9-6, 56	Toshishugisha	J12	Ullishimaru	J11e: 8-7, 52
Ms2w: 10-5, 62	Flew	J13	Kitakachiyama	J10w: 7-8, 48
J14e: kosho	Chiyotasuke	J14	Akawainnoumi	J13w: 8-7, 54
Ms9w: 12-3, 65	Rikioi	Ms1	Yarimotsu	J14w: 8-7, 54
Ms3e: 9-6, 56	Kyotomo	Ms2	Takaryu	Ms3w: 9-6, 57
Ms1w: 8-7, 52	Sukubidubidu	Ms3	Fishomata	Ms7e: 10-5, 60
Ms10e: 11-4, 63	ChewieKen	Ms4	Zelerny	Ms11e: 11-4, 63
Ms7w: 9-6, 56	Kajiyanosho	Ms5	Pepenohana	Sd2e: 13-2, 67
Ms4w: 7-8, 47	Flohru	Ms6	Joezeki	Ms12e: 10-5, 62
J5w: kyujo	Konosato	Ms7	Ack!	Ms9e: 8-7, 55
Ms14e: 10-5, 62	Jejima	Ms8	Krakel	Sd3w: 12-3, 65
Ms8e: 7-8, 48	Miwabe	Ms9	Taeghan	Ms10w: 8-7, 54
Ms8w: 7-8, 49	Akinomaki	Ms10	Muhomatsu	Ms5e: 5-10, 39
J8w: kyujo	Tetsuba	Ms11	Heider	Ms16w: 9-6, 59
Sd11w: 12-3, 65	Duden	Ms12	Bill	Ms12w: 7-8, 48
Ms13e: 7-8, 47	Frinkanohana	Ms13	Barutonoumi	Ms15w: 8-7, 53
Sd1e: 9-6, 56	Wakawakawaka	Ms14	KatsumaBen	Ms6e: 4-11, 33
Sd1w: 9-6, 56	Shosei	Ms15	Kinoko	Ms17e: 8-7, 55
Sd12e: 11-4, 64	Tim W	Ms16	Supizakage	Ms16e: kosho
Ms13w: 6-9, 42	Andonishiki	Ms17	Shiroiokami	Sd10e: 10-5, 60
Ms11w: 5-10, 37	Kotononami	Sd1	Koshinoumi	Ms14w: 6-9, 43
Sd4w: 8-7, 55	Akagitsune	Sd2	Hankegami	Sd5e: 8-7, 52
Sd18e: 11-4, 64	ballerscuba	Sd3	Mondage	Sd4e: 7-8, 50
Ms15e: 5-10, 38	Itchynotoe	Sd4	Golynohana	Ms4e: kyujo
Sd3e: 6-9, 43	herbern	Sd5	Tyerenex	Sd15w: 9-6, 59
Ms17w: 5-10, 40	Wakaarashi	Sd6	Hoshotakamoto	Ms5w: kyujo
Sd17e: 9-6, 57	Hashibamiyama	Sd7	glacier	Ms6w: kyujo
Sd6w: 6-9, 45	OhnoOho	Sd8	Fia	Sd19e: 9-6, 58
Sd15e: 8-7, 53	Fujinowaka	Sd9	Schwoosh	Sd7e: 6-9, 43
Sd25e: 10-5, 60	Hakunojo	Sd10	Ichinanjo	Sd10w: kosho
Sd11e: kosho	makafuji	Sd11	Netakata	Sd8w: 6-9, 45
Sd21w: 9-6, 59	Mowse	Sd12	Octofuji	Sd17w: 8-7, 52
Sd5w: 5-10, 41	Andoreasu	Sd13	Kotokishi	Sd13w: kosho
Jd2e: 11-4, 63	Kaerufuji	Sd14	Joputosu	Sd22w: 9-6, 58
Sd24e: 9-6, 56	Yagikunshu	Sd15	Chiyohanakuso	Jd7w: 11-4, 63
Sd16e: kosho	Kowaiiazumaya	Sd16	Torafujii	Sd9e: 5-10, 40
Sd14w: 6-9, 46	BlckKnght	Sd17	Oshirokita	Sd7w: 4-11, 33
Sd8e: 4-11, 34	Leo Dickinson	Sd18	Manatsumai	Sd18w: kosho
Sd12w: 5-10, 40	Tenshinhan	Sd19	HarlanT	Jd8e: 10-5, 61
Sd22e: 7-8, 50	gtree10	Sd20	sabnoumi	Sd23e: 7-8, 48
Sd19w: 6-9, 42	Eiji	Sd21	SumoandSand	Sd28e: 8-7, 54
Jd46w: 14-1, 68	Tenguhoho	Sd22	Wakatakasake	Jd6w: 9-6, 59
Sd16w: 5-10, 39	Taiseiyama	Sd23	Isokiho	Sd23w: kosho
Jd8w: 9-6, 57	Jdpbarber	Sd24	hakuhoforpresident	Sd24w: kosho
Sd26w: 7-8, 48	Renaldomoon	Sd25	Simon!	Sd27w: 7-8, 48
Sd26e: kosho	IQ	Sd26	Doraiumi	Jd46e: 13-2, 67
Sd20e: 5-10, 37	Kintamayama	Sd27	asanosanpo	Jd42w: 12-3, 66
Sd2w: kyujo	RyanTradesFutures	Sd28	Tenisukoto	Sd28w: kosho
Sd29e: kosho	Eureka_1	Sd29	Ardonite	Jd5e: 7-8, 47
Jd1e: kosho	Mazu	Jd1	Sakurion	Jd1w: kosho
Sd20w: 4-11, 35	Oshiyama	Jd2	Roukii	Jd7e: 7-8, 50
Jd3e: kosho	Atrumus	Jd3	Wakaotori	Jd15w: 8-7, 54
Sd21e: 4-11, 35	Kaiomitsuki	Jd4	Jaminake	Jd4w: kosho
Jd24e: 9-6, 58	Kotowazasato	Jd5	Silent_Coup	Jd5w: kosho
Jd6e: kosho	Koorifuu	Jd6	cranberrytea	Jd26e: 9-6, 57
Jd2w: 6-9, 42	ereesupaipaa	Jd7	Leonishiki	Sd6e: kyujo
Jd27w: 9-6, 57	Hobbobgob	Jd8	Kasamatsuri	Jd12w: 7-8, 50
Jd16e: 7-8, 49	Kaiowaka	Jd9	Keeparu	Jd9w: kosho
Sd9w: kyujo	Unkonoyama	Jd10	Furuimori	Jd10e: 6-9, 42
Jd10w: 6-9, 43	Hananofuji	Jd11	Mr.Rofl	Sd27e: 4-11, 34
Jd3w: 5-10, 40	Wamahada	Jd12	Modra	Jd44e: 10-5, 60
Jd13e: kosho	eperon	Jd13	matrix	Jd13w: kosho
Jd14w: 6-9, 46	Veshana	Jd14	Mariohana	Jd14e: kosho
Jd4e: 5-10, 41	Kurasu	Jd15	Musubifuji	Jd20w: 7-8, 49
Jd21e: 7-8, 49	Nanikitanohito	Jd16	Shimanoumi	Jd15e: 6-9, 45
Sd13e: kyujo	Tombo	Jd17	Aminoumi	Jd17w: kosho
Jk17w: 12-3, 66	slayakaya	Jd18	Moshogaeru	Sd14e: kyujo
Jd19e: kosho	StreetwearLegendAbi	Jd19	Ketsukai	Jd18w: 6-9, 42
Jd35w: 8-7, 51	Anjinsan	Jd20	Tupayumi	Jd11w: 5-10, 40
Jd39e: 8-7, 55	Multimikstar	Jd21	jjdynasty	Jd21w: kosho
Jd22e: kosho	Devined	Jd22	Wakatake	Jd23e: 6-9, 43
Jd32w: 7-8, 48	Sezhedifuji	Jd23	Athenayama	Jd18e: 5-10, 37
Jd28e: 6-9, 46	Fzikawa	Jd24	Nutzername	Jd24w: kosho
Jd25e: kosho	Kujo	Jd25	AoiyamaFan	Jd31e: 6-9, 44
JkTD: 11-4, 63	Sakurahoro	Jd26	Bombadil	Jd40w: 7-8, 49
Jd33e: 6-9, 44	That1WhoLovesKotonowaka	Jd27	The Goonch	Jd17e: 4-11, 35
Jd43e: 7-8, 49	Fukurou (2)	Jd28	Lord kanz	Jd30w: 5-10, 40
Jd29e: kosho	Papiyama	Jd29	Kyoshiro	JkTD: 10-5, 61
Jd30e: kosho	jalax	Jd30	Haregeto	JkTD: 10-5, 60
Jd31w: 5-10, 36	imaginethings	Jd31	Sumonubi	Jd56e: 8-7, 52
Sd25w: kyujo	Indorfin	Jd32	BeccaD	Jd28w: 4-11, 32
Jd22w: 3-12, 31	Kcramsib	Jd33	intarga	Jk11w: 8-7, 53
JkTD: 9-6, 58	Hoodoryufuji	Jd34	DolorousClem	Jd34w: kosho
Jd35e: kosho	thanike	Jd35	EJC	Jd48e: 6-9, 44
Jk14e: 8-7, 53	Domichi	Jd36	Furanku	Jd50w: 6-9, 46
Jd37e: kosho	Kamahiko	Jd37	chenrip	Jd37w: kosho
Jd38e: kosho	Taker4Y	Jd38	EasyFirst	Jd38w: kosho
Sd29w: kyujo	Kashunowaka	Jd39	Tsukishiryo	Jd39w: kosho
Jd40e: kosho	Dankohikari	Jd40	Yubinhaad	Jd11e: 1-14, 24
JkTD: 8-7, 55	Brice	Jd41	Yakobu	Jd41w: kosho
Jd42e: kosho	Skyden	Jd42	Ace_Ranger	JkTD: 8-7, 55
JkTD: 8-7, 52	BeebBuub	Jd43	Rinnafuji	JkTD: 8-7, 52
JkTD: 8-7, 52	Okowan	Jd44	Konishiki	Jd23w: 2-13, 28
Jd32e: 3-12, 31	Chisaiwashi	Jd45	Gilgamesh	Jd9e: kyujo
Jk1e: 6-9, 44	kostuek	Jd46	Fashiriteta	Jd25w: 2-13, 26
Jd47e: kosho	Chijanofuji	Jd47	Nandeanee	Jd47w: kosho
Jd26w: 2-13, 28	RaeucherLax	Jd48	Jimizakura	Jk4e: 6-9, 43
Jd12e: kyujo	Hidenotora	Jd49	Tamanaogijima	Jd36w: 3-12, 31
Jd50e: kosho	Paruma	Jd50	Miso Meow	Jd53e: 5-10, 37
Jd51e: kosho	SubmergedBass	Jd51	Benjinokuni	JkTD: 7-8, 48
Jd52e: kosho	Katoomaru	Jd52	Mokuseinoisu	Jd52w: kosho
JkTD: 7-8, 47	Wakanosabi	Jd53	Brianzuna	JkTD: 7-8, 47
Jd54e: kosho	Yokodano	Jd54	TMF	Jd54w: kosho
Jd55e: kosho	Jirkush	Jd55	Hagemaru	Jd55w: kosho
Jd16w: kyujo	BariiHachiBenson	Jd56	Kaminari no taiyo	Jd49e: 4-11, 34
Jd19w: kyujo	Mitsuanaguma	Jd57	Tsuchinoninjin	Jd20e: kyujo
JkTD: 6-9, 46	ryuyama	Jd58
JkTD: 6-9, 45	VanDeBeast	Jk1	Obi-Wahn	Jk1w: kosho
Jk2e: kosho	Hakunoho	Jk2	Whattaboutsumo	Jk2w: kosho
Jk3e: kosho	neerrm	Jk3	Komburyu	Jk3w: kosho
JkTD: 6-9, 44	SoupDragon	Jk4	M	Jk4w: kosho
JkTD: 6-9, 44	Darkeruusernamu	Jk5	Nishinami	Jk5w: kosho
Jk6e: kosho	Iwabito Aizakku	Jk6	Gokujira	Jk6w: kosho
Jd57e: 4-11, 33	Dekkai	Jk7	Speck00	Jd27e: kyujo
Jk8e: kosho	Wakatakakater	Jk8	PattyP	Jd29w: kyujo
JkTD: 5-10, 41	Applefuji	Jk9	Orandanoyama	JkTD: 5-10, 39
Jk10e: kosho	Doidesemu	Jk10	Megamonster1234	Jk10w: kosho
JkTD: 5-10, 38	Callum	Jk11	loran1212	JkTD: 5-10, 38
JkTD: 5-10, 36	Hoshizakura	Jk12	kenshoryu	JkTD: 5-10, 36
Jk13e: kosho	Tsunama	Jk13	Javinofuji	Jk13w: kosho
Jd56w: 3-12, 30	Nivasta	Jk14	Orandayama	Jd33w: kyujo
Jd34e: kyujo	Kuroneko	Jk15	sadako	Jd36e: kyujo
Jd53w: 2-13, 25	Kinfushichojima	Jk16	Hyomondoko	Jk25w: 4-11, 33
JkTD: 4-11, 35	Kagakusha	Jk17	Hokumikatsuki	JkTD: 4-11, 33
JkTD: 4-11, 32	Nakagishi	Jk18	GR SUMO	Jd41e: kyujo
Jk18e: 3-12, 30	I am the Yokozuna	Jk19	Gair	Jd43w: kyujo
Jd44w: kyujo	OShogun	Jk20	Fatakeisho	Jd45e: kyujo
Jd45w: kyujo	asamifuji	Jk21	Abuza	JkTD: 3-12, 30
JkTD: 3-12, 29	4tunaTissim0	Jk22	Wakaflockakage	JkTD: 3-12, 29
Jk23e: kosho	Tsurkareta kaeru	Jk23	Faustonowaka	Jk23w: kosho
Jd48w: kyujo	Makayasu	Jk24	Suwihuto	Jd49w: kyujo
Jd51w: kyujo	Dare	Jk25	Tomodomo	JkTD: 1-14, 22
Jk26e: kosho	Trump 24	Jk26	Takaratakara	Jk26w: kosho
Jk27e: kosho	Chiyotsuki	Jk27	jestemzeki	Jk19e: 0-15, 21

 

 

 

oh man ... well I recently purchased sumowidgets.com so if I ever get back into it (sumo has taken a back seat in my hobbies for the latter part of this year) there will be a natural home for this

[Wakawakawaka 154]

8 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Incredible endeavor. Thank you so much for dong this- Maybe I'll post it as the "normal" banzuke on the site together with the "weird" one, if you will allow it. One question - why is Makuuchi only 32 rikishi? Juryo has the 28, but why less in Makuuchi?

Again, thanks for this. Incredible.

 

6 hours ago, Gurowake said:

I don't want to critique this too harshly because there was clearly a ton of work put into it, but I'm just really unsure how the whole thing works.  There certainly has to be some method that made him separate Asset and Beeftank with two additional people despite them being adjacent ranked previously and getting the same score, suggesting the two people between them have rank/result combos that are effectively the same as one of those two, but I have no idea in what manner one would come to that conclusion.  I have no reason to believe that there was any rigorous thought was put into this.  Even if you want to argue little such thought went into the Ozumo banzuke, the fact that the same people do pretty well in guessing what it will be says there's a very large percentage of systematic movements at play, but I just don't see it here in his banzuke.  It's not like it's obviously wrong anywhere, but I much prefer using some system that's as close as possible to being transparent, and this looks totally opaque to me.

 

Here's effectively the entirety of how it works.

Division sizes: Makuuchi: >10% of total banzuke size, <1/6th of total banzuke (max 42), Juryo: >10%, <1/6th of total banzuke (max 28), Makushita: > Makuuchi or Juryo, Sandanme: >Makushita, <2x Makushita, Jonidan: >Sandanme, <2x Sandanme, Jonokuchi: 1/6th. The intent of scaling the divisions as such was to avoid the case of say; if there's 42 players on the banzuke, and they are all in Makuuchi, being the last player in Makuuchi means you aren't doing very well, but if there's 300 players on the banzuke and 42 in Makuuchi, being the last player in Makuuchi means you're doing pretty good for yourself. With proportional division sizes, being the last player in Makuuchi will always mean roughly the same measure of relative success (because you'll be in the 10%-16.67% percentile of players)

Ranking: Think of it this way, in a real banzuke, in Juryo, an 8-7 computes you up 1 rank, or 1/14th of the division. In the meta-banzuke, since the divison sizes fluctuate according to the number of total players on the banzuke, computing up 1 rank won't always mean the same thing, so I use the fraction 1/14th. That's how I calculated all the lower divisions also. For Makuuchi, which is 42 rikishi, an 8-7 computes up 1 rank or 1/21th of the division, so the 1/21 fraction is what is used. So that determines how they move, but where do they move from? Again to use Juryo as an example, Juryo is division 2, so the first spot of Juryo, J1e has a computational rank of 2.0. J8e is halfway, so the computational rank is 2.5. Ms1e computational rank = 3.0, etc. Jonokuchi is the exception because on the real banzuke it's usually about 1/4th the size of Jonidan, and acts sort of like an extension of Jonidan so some degree, so the last spot of Jk (and all debutants) have a computational rank of 6.25

In the Asset/Beeftank example, here is what happened...

Asset was M11w (computational rank: 1.90625) and got a 14-1 (computes up 13/21 of the division) which would calculate to 1.287202

Beeftank was M12e  (computational rank: 1.9375) also got a 14-1, so he would calculate to 1.318452381

Sandwiched between them computationally were...

Heriokuno was M4e (computational rank: 1.4375) and got a 9-6 (computes up 3/21) which calculates to 1.294642857

Pandaazuma was M1e (computational rank: 1.25) and got a 7-8 (computes down 1/21) which calculates to 1.297619048

This was actually a somewhat ridiculous case of a lot of players computing to the same spot, 8 players in total calculated to 1.259 - 1.318 (which is basically 1.5 ranks)

One other crucial thing I've implemented is a 'quasi-Kachikoshi' line, where if you score higher than the division average in points, that is treated as a KK and deserving of a promotion (in this case that's also why the M6w-M7e kosho duo got bumped down a rank, to accomidate Bunbukuchagama's 'KK' and for the heck of it Kobashi who computed ahead of him). If you score below the division average in points, you'll probably get a demotion in the upper divisions,though in cases with large holes to fill they may actually get a slight promotion, Toshishugisha was the highest ranked such benefactor this time around, moving J12w > J12e with 9-6 (56 points), where 'KK' was 59 points. In the lower divisions there are so many kyujo that mild 'MK' will often still get a promotion.

So the main subjective things are:

- Movements in the named ranks; I've been using 36/3 at Sanyaku for Ozeki promotion, which seems to maintain a healthy number of Ozeki. As you might imagine as a consequence, a 12-3 at Komusubi will force a Sekiwake slot (as an 11-4 does on a real banzuke). Yokozuna has been rather difficult to achieve given the unpredictable nature of GTB, and given the larger playerbase, 15-0 and 14-1 become harder to achieve, so the standards for Yokozuna are rather subjective and change with time. The most recent promotion was Goshobiyama: Nagoya 13-2, Aki 15-0. I've never denied 28 wins over 2 basho, but have denied 27 wins over 2. In one case I promoted a 14-1, 13-2, 13-2, in another I denied a 15-0, 11-4, 15-0. Spoiler are Yokozuna and Ozeki numbers for the past 5 years.

- Expansion/contraction of divisions, and whether kosho hold or get a slight demotion. I will put players slightly out of order to accomidate a 'KK', but if it gets egregious, a division expansion will likely occur. A kosho might get a slight demotion to accomidate a KK or to split two players who compute apart by a decent amount. These cases should be moderately predictable if you were to look at the numbers.

 

202409 - present
1 Y
2 O    

202401 - 202407
3 O

202311
5 O

202309
3 O

202303 - 202307
1 Y
2 O

202203 - 202301
1 Y
3 O

202201
3 O

202107 - 202111
4 O

202105
1 Y
4 O

202103
1 Y
3 O

202101
1 Y
4 O

201903 - 202011
2 Y
2 O

 

Edited December 27, 2024 by Wakawakawaka

[Asashosakari 19,426]

To be honest, most of the players who went up from sandanme to makushita look ridiculously overpromoted to me. Do I understand your system correctly that e.g. it treats Sd10 to Ms17 (Ms bottom rank) as a smaller computed rank distance than Ms7 to Ms17? And do sandanme players get larger per-win movements than makushita players on top of that, even when they're moving into makushita?

[Wakawakawaka 154]

16 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

To be honest, most of the players who went up from sandanme to makushita look ridiculously overpromoted to me.

1) Do I understand your system correctly that e.g. it treats Sd10 to Ms17 (Ms bottom rank) as a smaller computed rank distance than Ms7 to Ms17?

2) And do sandanme players get larger per-win movements than makushita players on top of that, even when they're moving into makushita?

1) Yes. The distance from Ms7w to Ms17w is ~0.59. The distance from Ms17w to Sd10w is ~0.36.

2) If I understand you correctly, I'm going to say no. From Juryo to Jonokuchi, an 11-4 will compute a player up by 0.5 (whether they move up more or less depends on the results of the players around them). A Sd1e with 11-4 will never land ahead of a Ms17w with 11-4.

Edited December 27, 2024 by Wakawakawaka

[Gurowake 4,088]

On 26/12/2024 at 22:54, Wakawakawaka said:

Division sizes: Makuuchi: >10% of total banzuke size, <1/6th of total banzuke (max 42), Juryo: >10%, <1/6th of total banzuke (max 28), Makushita: > Makuuchi or Juryo, Sandanme: >Makushita, <2x Makushita, Jonidan: >Sandanme, <2x Sandanme, Jonokuchi: 1/6th. The intent of scaling the divisions as such was to avoid the case of say; if there's 42 players on the banzuke, and they are all in Makuuchi, being the last player in Makuuchi means you aren't doing very well, but if there's 300 players on the banzuke and 42 in Makuuchi, being the last player in Makuuchi means you're doing pretty good for yourself. With proportional division sizes, being the last player in Makuuchi will always mean roughly the same measure of relative success (because you'll be in the 10%-16.67% percentile of players)

While I understand what you're doing here, no one has ever done this before, for one main reason: the Super Banzuke points are awarded to the top 42 players, and that's one of the more important aspects for why the banzuke gets made to begin with.  It's certainly possible in theory for Kintamayama to eventually declare what you are doing to be the official banzuke, but if you're not putting 42 into Makuuchi, it makes much less sense to do that.

 

On 26/12/2024 at 22:54, Wakawakawaka said:

In the Asset/Beeftank example, here is what happened...

Asset was M11w (computational rank: 1.90625) and got a 14-1 (computes up 13/21 of the division) which would calculate to 1.287202

Beeftank was M12e  (computational rank: 1.9375) also got a 14-1, so he would calculate to 1.318452381

Sandwiched between them computationally were...

Heriokuno was M4e (computational rank: 1.4375) and got a 9-6 (computes up 3/21) which calculates to 1.294642857

Pandaazuma was M1e (computational rank: 1.25) and got a 7-8 (computes down 1/21) which calculates to 1.297619048

Thank you for going over this calculation.  I'm glad that there was a reason to what looked like madness, and I was able to corroborate your calculations now.  However, because it fails to replicate the typical movement patterns where a 9-6 M4e would be expected to land one rank ahead of a 7-8 M1e, I'm not so sure your system is all that great of an idea.  In one part of the calculation (where someone starts) you're using the rank fraction out of 32, while in another part of the calculation (how much they move) you're using the rank fraction out of 42.  This doesn't make much sense to me and I don't see the logic to it; you're picking 42 because that's the number of rikishi in Makuuchi in Ozumo, but how is that number relevant?  You're not using 120 for Makushita or 180(or now 160) for Sandanme, or else the movements would be tiny.  So why move players in Makuuchi based on there being 42 of them, when there's not? 

Edited December 28, 2024 by Gurowake

[Asashosakari 19,426]

Fundamentally, I can appreciate why this GTB banzuke works the way it does: It's meant to normalize the relative speed of movement, regardless of how many players there are in the game. However, I'm struggling to be accepting of it because IMHO it violates my personal #1 rule of making banzuke for games: A banzuke must first and foremost serve the interests of the players, not the interests of the banzuke maker. The chosen framework might be useful to provide an after-the-fact accounting of GTB's history (although I'm not sure if that would necessarily have to be done in banzuke form), but it's just needlessly complex as an ongoing concern, and as the repeated "why so few players in makuuchi" questioning shows its qualities are more astonishing than enlightening.

In any case, there are certainly valid reasons for reducing the speed of movement in makuuchi below the typically expected 2 ranks per win (most notably when a game produces a much greater range of records than the norm), but I'm finding it hard to accept "I've made the division smaller for reasons that have nothing to do with the players' actual efforts" as such a reason.

[Asashosakari 19,426]

As a more general comment (echoing what I've probably said in the past when the subject came up): Personally, I like that the GTB ranking system allows any player to go from zero to the top in just six participations. Yes, it might be superficially weird that the very game that concerns itself with the ozumo banzuke is one of the few to not use a proper banzuke-style ranking. But GTB's game mechanics are just so completely different to almost everything else, too.

Other games tend to require making a variety of picks whose outcomes have very little correlation with each other; predicting Mitakeumi's performance wrong doesn't preclude predicting Atamifuji's right, and so on, and ultimately each game's skill factor just comes down to how many different slots there are to pick. That means that success in those games is a matter of gradually improving one's "hit rate", with players generally not demonstrating wild swings in their abilities on medium-length time scales. That's a performance framework that's very compatible with a banzuke ranking.

Conversely, success in GTB pretty much requires the player to choose a single correct approach upfront for each basho; errors in judgement tend to affect the entire submission negatively (or at least large parts of it), while making a few correct fundamental decisions will boost performance all across. And being able to do so successfully even for just a year is a major feat, given how often and how unpredictably the meta changes, so it's IMHO unreasonable to expect players to spend 3+ years working their way up through a banzuke-style ranking.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Asashosakari

[Wakawakawaka 154]

12 hours ago, Gurowake said:

While I understand what you're doing here, no one has ever done this before, for one main reason: the Super Banzuke points are awarded to the top 42 players, and that's one of the more important aspects for why the banzuke gets made to begin with.  It's certainly possible in theory for Kintamayama to eventually declare what you are doing to be the official banzuke, but if you're not putting 42 into Makuuchi, it makes much less sense to do that.

Thank you for going over this calculation.  I'm glad that there was a reason to what looked like madness, and I was able to corroborate your calculations now.  However, because it fails to replicate the typical movement patterns where a 9-6 M4e would be expected to land one rank ahead of a 7-8 M1e, I'm not so sure your system is all that great of an idea.  In one part of the calculation (where someone starts) you're using the rank fraction out of 32, while in another part of the calculation (how much they move) you're using the rank fraction out of 42.  This doesn't make much sense to me and I don't see the logic to it; you're picking 42 because that's the number of rikishi in Makuuchi in Ozumo, but how is that number relevant?  You're not using 120 for Makushita or 180(or now 160) for Sandanme, or else the movements would be tiny.  So why move players in Makuuchi based on there being 42 of them, when there's not? 

Probably a stupid question, but what is Super Banzuke? In regards to the Makuuchi movements, to give a more straightforward example, if the meta-banzuke had half the players in Makuuchi as the ozumo banzuke, the resulting win/loss differentials would be halved, e.g. an M4e with 9-6 would compute up 1.5 ranks (to M2w) instead of 3 (to M1e). The M1e with 7-8 would compute down 0.5 ranks (to M1w) instead of 1 rank (to M2e). For lower divisions in ozumo, a 4-3 will move you up many more ranks than an 8-7 will as a sekitori, so in meta-banzuke, the denominator could be 120, but the numerator would be higher also, so the movements would normalize. Since GTB uses a 15-day scoring system for everyone though, drawing direct parallel to the 7-day system for lower divisions posed a bit of a challenge, so I just calculated the lower divisions the same way as Juryo. Ideally I wanted to create a new way of measuring win/loss records for each division based on points, but it proved exceedingly difficult to replicate ozumo win/loss patterns (both because the number of competitors is different, and because the distribution of scores is much different), at least in a way that was efficient/automated (though that would probably be achievable to someone with more technical ability than I). Believe me, I tried many things.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Wakawakawaka

[Wakawakawaka 154]

10 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

1) Fundamentally, I can appreciate why this GTB banzuke works the way it does: It's meant to normalize the relative speed of movement, regardless of how many players there are in the game. However, I'm struggling to be accepting of it because IMHO it violates my personal #1 rule of making banzuke for games: A banzuke must first and foremost serve the interests of the players, not the interests of the banzuke maker. The chosen framework might be useful to provide an after-the-fact accounting of GTB's history (although I'm not sure if that would necessarily have to be done in banzuke form), but it's just needlessly complex as an ongoing concern, and as the repeated "why so few players in makuuchi" questioning shows its qualities are more astonishing than enlightening.

2) In any case, there are certainly valid reasons for reducing the speed of movement in makuuchi below the typically expected 2 ranks per win (most notably when a game produces a much greater range of records than the norm), but I'm finding it hard to accept "I've made the division smaller for reasons that have nothing to do with the players' actual efforts" as such a reason.

 

9 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

3) Conversely, success in GTB pretty much requires the player to choose a single correct approach upfront for each basho; errors in judgement tend to affect the entire submission negatively (or at least large parts of it), while making a few correct fundamental decisions will boost performance all across.

4) And being able to do so successfully even for just a year is a major feat, given how often and how unpredictably the meta changes, so it's IMHO unreasonable to expect players to spend 3+ years working their way up through a banzuke-style ranking.

1) I appreciate the respectful/civil nature of your criticism, thank you. Could I ask for a further elaboration on why you consider that this meta-banzuke does not  'first and foremost serve the interest of the players'?

2) I would counter that I've made the division sizes and movements proportional in order to better recognize players' efforts, especially in an historical context. As I mentioned before, if the banzuke contains 42 players in Makuuchi regardless of banzuke size, then the last player in Makuuchi on a 300-player banzuke is much more 'sucessful' than the last player of Makuuchi on a 42 player banzuke. The proportional (rather than absolute) nature of the divisions and movements means that no matter when you start playing, or how many players there are, similar results will land you in a similar part of the banzuke.

3) That is definitely true, but that equally effects the standard ranking system also.

4) The meta does indeed change, but it changes for everybody, and thus should effect everybody equally. I don't think there are very many cases where someone is ranked in the top 10 one year, and outside of the top 100 the next (apart from kyujo obviously). Your long-standing success should also be a counterpoint to a changing meta effecting a player's results.

[Gurowake 4,088]

3 hours ago, Wakawakawaka said:

Probably a stupid question, but what is Super Banzuke?

See http://99998271.com/sb/.  It's a ranking system that involves around a dozen or so of the most popular games. 

In terms of the rest of the stuff, I think there's a lot that at least I am expecting when it comes to someone making a "Banzuke" for a sumo game.  There's some expectation that you'll be converting the raw score to wins, then treating 1 win = +1 rank and 1 loss = -1 rank, at least in Makuuchi, that there will be 42 people in Makuuchi, 28 in Juryo, that these will change if the Ozumo division sizes change, and the size of any remaining divisions is basically ad hoc with some people not even bothering to do anything but calling it all Makushita even if it's larger than the real Makushita.  By deciding that in some cases 1 win is worth less than 1 rank and that there should be a variable number of people in all divisions, you're doing things so much differently than Ozumo that it's not a "real" Banzuke any more.  If there's no way to reasonably keep those few requirements and get something reasonable out of it, then we should just not do it.

[Sumo Spiffy 568]

3 hours ago, Wakawakawaka said:

2) I would counter that I've made the division sizes and movements proportional in order to better recognize players' efforts, especially in an historical context. As I mentioned before, if the banzuke contains 42 players in Makuuchi regardless of banzuke size, then the last player in Makuuchi on a 300-player banzuke is much more 'sucessful' than the last player of Makuuchi on a 42 player banzuke. The proportional (rather than absolute) nature of the divisions and movements means that no matter when you start playing, or how many players there are, similar results will land you in a similar part of the banzuke.

I'm not gonna speak for anyone else, but this got my attention because it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the logic of how you're making this banzuke. Of course the last player in makuuchi on 300-person banzuke will be viewed more highly, because being #42 out of 300 puts you in the top 15%, whereas being #42 out of 42 means you're in last place. That doesn't mean it's illogical to have 42 people in makuuchi if that's your entire player base. If that's how it is, so be it.

Beyond that, the banzuke is, by its nature, a completely relative ranking system. If you care about your rank, what you really care about is your rank relative to everyone else; if you move everyone up so there's 42 in makuuchi, 28 in juryo, 120 in makushita, and then sandanme is however many are left, everyone remains in the exact same order, but it at least has the aesthetic of the real banzuke (and, by extension, pretty much every other fantasy game banzuke). When you started doing this and didn't have full divisions, I figured it was an artifact of trying to respect past results while building out what would become a banzuke with a standard shape. But if there's a mathematical reason that's going to keep makuuchi below 42 people for a while, I can't see the logic of doing so.

Final note: Asa may have different reasons for considering this setup less player-friendly, but to me it comes down to difficulty understanding how it works. I have to take your word for these computations or else do way more math than it's worth to know why these movements occur the way they do. Don't get me wrong, I respect the effort, but I can't tell if or how it's superior to the system other games use, where they split players by division (sometimes into smaller chunks than that) and simply draw a KK line at the median record or score. It might result in basically the same movements you have here, but it would be loads easier to comprehend.

Edit: Quick math says there were 287 wins across 29 players in makuuchi, for essentially a 10 average (9.89). Doing a quick run-through, if everyone's movement was relative to the median record in the division, players with fewer than ten wins would move down noticeably more on average than in your calculation. That's not to say it's the "correct" way to do things, but it would be a lot easier to explain.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Sumo Spiffy

[Wakawakawaka 154]

O well, nobody else was doing it so I figured I'd give it a shot. If the result is wrong, I hope it has inspired someone to take up the task of doing it right.

Edit: How about this as an alternate scoring for 'Makuuchi'  (taking the top 42 players of the current meta-banzuke). In this way the average number of wins is ~7.5

 

Edited December 29, 2024 by Wakawakawaka