Profomisakari 857 Posted December 25, 2024 (edited) Welcome to Game 21 for the Hatsu 2025 Basho. Game 21 is the game in which we predict who will win (A or B) or whether the fight will not take place (X) In the past, we shared the game management so that Yarimotsu chose the fights and I then did the daily evaluation. This time, I don't have time for the evaluation on all days of the Basho, so we swapped these tasks. Yarimotsu has always provided a link that took us to a multiple choice form that each player had to fill out and then sent back for checking. I will do it a little differently. I ask you to send me your tips by email to 0375529641@t-online.de. Please use as the subject "game 21" and your player's shikona. Please submit your tips as a table using the following template You can copy from here, but ther is a small danger: Not all mail managers allow the table to be imported cleanly into the mail text. Please copy the table into a DOC or Excel file and attach it to the mail! Thanks! Game 21 Hatsu 2025 ( your Shikona) No. Bout: A - B Vote 1 Terunofuji – Abi 2 Kotozakura - Hoshoryu 3 Takerufuji - Onosato 4 Wakamotoharu - Takayasu 5 Daieisho – Kirishima 6 Takanosho - Wakatakakage 7 Tobizaru - Oho 8 Atamifuji – Hiradoumi 9 Ichiyamamoto – Gonoyama 10 Shodai - Ura 11 Chiyoshoma – Churanoumi 12 Endo – Mitakeumi 13 Roga – Kinbozan 14 Takarafuji – Tamawashi 15 Oshoma – Shonannoumi 16 Meisei - Midorifuji 17 Nishikigi – Hokutofuji 18 Hakuoho – Onokatsu 19 Kagayaki – Kotoshoho 20 Kitanowaka – Nishikifuji 21 Tamashoho – Tokihayate I will answer this email with your votes, that you can see your given votes. To correct your vote you can mail me a new vote until the deadline. I will publish two tables: - one table with the tips of all players - and one table of all A, B and X for all 21 selected fights. This will be the time for Yarimotsu to begin with the determination and publication of the daily results. And this is how these results are created: • Each correct pick will earn you one point • If a Rikishi is listed in one of the potential bouts but never has a match scheduled in the Basho, the bout will not count for the allocation of points. This is especially interesting for Terunofuji. I don’t know if he will start. But if he isn’t listed the whole basho on any torikumi, the bout will not be counted If two or more entrants end up with the same number of correct picks, the two following tiebreaker rules will apply: • TB1: entrants will earn TB points for their ability to spot winning outsiders (i.e. the fewer players to correctly pick a winner, the more TB points you score) and the entrant with most TB points will win the tiebreaker. • TB2: if the first tiebreaker does not break the tie, the entrant with the earliest submission time will be declared the winner. Your submission time updates if you edit. Deadline will be Friday, January 10th at 11:00 JST. That is 2 AM (UTC) or 3:00 CET (CET). If the torikumi has already been published before this (what I don’t believe), he time of this publication time will apply. Then become all after this deadline given votes invalid. All is said. Do your picks! I wait for them Profomisakari Edited December 29, 2024 by Profomisakari 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 857 Posted December 25, 2024 (edited) Excuse me please, I made some mistakes with the table to fill out and send to me. "Tochinofuji as the first wrote me:, I can't seem to copy the table." As first: I should the table copy into the posting from a Google sheet. This I have meanwhile corrected. (look above!) As second: Not all mail managers allow the table to be imported cleanly into the mail text. Please copy the table into a DOC or Excel file and attach it to the mail! The two mails of Tochinofuji and Yarimotsu that have arrived so far can I use. Thank you and sorry again. But today is Christmas and my birthday. Profomisakari Edited December 25, 2024 by Profomisakari 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 584 Posted December 26, 2024 @Profomisakari it has been brought to my attention that the updated table does not have a bout number 4. Did tochinofuji and I submit an answer for this? And which bout is missing? Thanks and happy birthday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 584 Posted December 26, 2024 Is it wakamotoharu v takayasu? Those appear to be missing. It wasn't on my entry either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 857 Posted December 26, 2024 15 hours ago, Yarimotsu said: Profomisakari it has been brought to my attention that the updated table does not have a bout number 4. Did tochinofuji and I submit an answer for this? And which bout is missing? Thanks and happy birthday and Is it wakamotoharu v takayasu? Those appear to be missing. It wasn't on my entry either. Yes ! This bout is it. I've just now corrected. Tochinofuji, You (Yarimotsu ) and Gusoyama get an answer . You can send me a new vote mail and get the time of your first mail 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 857 Posted December 29, 2024 (edited) Hi all game 21 players! Since a whole week I habe opened the game 21 for Hatsu Basho 25, but until now I got only three vote emails (Tochinofuji, Yarimotsu and Gusoyama) I hope for more as these! You all are invited: Many players of the past and many many new players I know, there were as ever some mistakes (Ashes on my head!) But they are now corrected. And perhaps many of you think:"Threre is much much time!" On 25/12/2024 at 12:24, Profomisakari said: Deadline will be Friday, January 10th at 11:00 JST. That is 2 AM (UTC) or 3:00 CET (CET). But much time is often the reason to forget. Profomisakari Edited December 29, 2024 by Profomisakari 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 857 Posted January 1 (edited) Hi friends! As first I wish you all the best for the new year 2025 Until now arrived me 9 vote mails. New are Athenayama, Hisui, Chicky Starr, Wamahada, Fashiriteta, Ippikiōkami. Thanks! But we hope for many more! Profomisakari Edited January 8 by Profomisakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 857 Posted January 6 Until now we have only 11 Participants. The new players are Karasukurai and Rokudenashi. Do not forget our game! Profomisakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 857 Posted January 8 (edited) Now we have 16 Participants . This is as ever no much. The new players are Räucherlax, Andreas21, Shimodahito, Wakatake and Profomisakari Dear friends, there is no more much time until the deadline: Friday, January 10th at 11:00 JST. That is 2 AM UTC or 3:00 CET (MEZ). We wait especially for Susanoo, Asapedroryu, Fujisan, Bunbukuchagama. Hakuonofan, Mizuma, Shatsume, Papayasu, Hakuryuho, Benihana, Chishafuwaku, Flohru, Suwihito, Asset, Hidenotora, Kujo, Andonishiki, Takanorappa, Grocerbird, Fia, Jogn and many other players of past bashos. And I see no new players name!! Go on friends! We wait for you! Profomisakari Edited January 8 by Profomisakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted January 9 (edited) Sorry but I cant access my email account on the library computer.........Or if I can I dont know how....... I will send my picks by the SF messenger because its my only option and time is running out....Hope its okay.... Edit- Sorry I cant send it by messenger either.....Inbox is full and I have no time to empty it... I tried but looks like I need kosho this time please... Edited January 9 by Fujisan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 857 Posted January 9 31 minutes ago, Fujisan said: Sorry but I cant access my email account on the library computer.........Or if I can I dont know how.......I will send my picks by the SF messenger because its my only option and time is running out....Hope its okay.... Edit- Sorry I cant send it by messenger either.....Inbox is full and I have no time to empty it...I tried but looks like I need kosho this time please... Can you try it with a PM on this or the German Forum? Profo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 857 Posted January 9 (edited) 16 hours ago, Profomisakari said: 4 hours ago, Fujisan said: Sorry but I cant access my email account on the library computer.........Or if I can I dont know how.......I will send my picks by the SF messenger because its my only option and time is running out....Hope its okay.... Edit- Sorry I cant send it by messenger either.....Inbox is full and I have no time to empty it...I tried but looks like I need kosho this time please.. Can you try it with a PM on this or the German Forum? Profo Excuse me, Paul ! As an very old man I didn't understand, that SF is this Sumoforum. I don't think you can send me a vote before the deadline. But I will allow you to submit your tip here in the forum after the deadline but before the Makuuchi starts. Then we will of course not be able to include your results into the ranking, but we can list them separately after the ranking. So that you can see how good or not you would have been if you had made the deadline. Other players who want to try the game 21, can also make use of this offer. This is not a rule change, but just an attempt to allow players like Fujisan to try the game out of competition. A word to Yarimotsu, who will do the daily evaluations and with whom I have not discussed this: You don't need to care about these tips. I will publish Fujisan's results (and those of other potential interested parties) separately after your regular evaluation. This is only an attempt. Certainly we won't need something like this in the later time. Profomisakari Edited January 10 by Profomisakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shimodahito 315 Posted January 10 And for 21 players: you are invited to submit an entry for TORCHBEARER 2025. It's an annual game, so take advantage of the window to join and a chance to win the end-of-year prize. @Fashiritētā @Hisui @Asapedroryu @Flohru @Hidenotora @Kujo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fujisan 533 Posted January 10 1 A 2 A 3 X 4 A 5 A 6 B 7 A 8 A 9 B 10 A 11 A 12 B 13 X 14 B 15 B 16 A 17 X 18 A 19 B 20 B 21 B Thank you Prof..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 857 Posted January 10 (edited) So! Old people often work slowly. 25 people sent their votes per Mail to me. Now I have put together these emails with the players' tips in two tables. The yellow table contains all the tips, the second table contains the distribution of votes for each fight between A, B and X. During the basho can entered the day and the result (A or B) for all the fights that took place, and at the end "X" for the bouts that did not take place. As I will be unavailable for a few days during the basho, Yarimotsu will do that. Here come all players picks: Player 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 Diff 1 Tochinofuji A A B A B B B B B A A A A B B B A A B A B 249 2 Yarimotsu A B B X B B B X A A B A A A A A A A B A B 264 3 Gusoyama A A X A A B A A B A A B X B B A A B B A B 221 4 Athenayama X B X A A B A A A A B B X B B A A B B B B 245 5 Hisui A B X X B B B X X B B B X B X B B B B B B 253 6 Chicky Starr X B X X A B B A B A B B A B B B A A B A A 242 7 Wamahada A A X B B B A B B A A B A B B B B A A A B 260 8 Fashiriteta X A B X A B B A X A A B A B B B A A X A B 268 9 Ippikiōkami A B A B A B B A B B B B X A X A B A B A A 249 10 KARASUKURAI A A X A A B A A B B A A A A A A A B B A A 264 11 Rokudenashi A A B A B B B B B A A B B B A B A B B B B 258 12 RaeucherLax A B B B B B A B B A B A A B A A A A B A B 252 13 Andreas21 X B X A A B A A B B B B B B A A X B B B A 272 14 Shimodahito A A A X B B B B A A A B B A A A B B B B B 272 15 Wakatake A B X A A B A B B B A B A A B B A B B A A 250 16 Profomisakarri A A A X A B A A A A A B X A B A A A B A B 239 17 Susanoo B B X X B B A X X B X A X B A A B A B B B 280 18 Bunbukuchagama A A X X A B A B X B B B X B B A B A B A B 224 19 E9 A B X A B B B B X B X B X B X B B A X A A 273 20 Asset A B X X B B B B X B B B X B X A B B B A B 236 21 Flohru A B X X A B B X X B X B X A X A B B B B B 258 22 Benihana A B B B A B A A A B A B X B B B A A A B A 269 23 Hakuryuho A B A A A B B A B A B B B B B A B A B B A 239 24 Fia A B B X A B B A B B A B X B B A B A B B B 217 25 Eatplaysleepsumo A A B A A A B A B A B A X A B A X A B A B 271 And this is the table for the bout results: Nr A - B A B X Day Result 1 Terunofuji – Abi 20 1 4 2 Kotozakura - Hoshoryu 10 15 0 3 Takerufuji - Onosato 4 8 13 4 Wakamotoharu - Takayasu 10 4 11 5 Daieisho – Kirishima 15 10 0 6 6 Takanosho - Wakatakakage 1 24 0 7 Tobizaru - Oho 11 14 0 6 8 Atamifuji – Hiradoumi 12 9 4 9 Ichiyamamoto – Gonoyama 5 13 7 10 Shodai - Ura 13 12 0 1 11 Chiyoshoma – Churanoumi 11 11 3 12 Endo – Mitakeumi 6 19 0 1 13 Roga – Kinbozan 8 4 13 14 Takarafuji – Tamawashi 8 17 0 6 15 Oshoma – Shonannoumi 7 13 5 16 Meisei - Midorifuji 16 9 0 1 17 Nishikigi – Hokutofuji 12 11 2 18 Hakuoho – Onokatsu 15 10 0 6 19 Kagayaki – Kotoshoho 2 21 2 20 Kitanowaka – Nishikifuji 15 10 0 4 21 Tamashoho – Tokihayate 8 17 0 3 The column "Day" shows, that on day 1 three bouts will take place, but none on day 2. On day 3 we'll have one game 21 bout (bout 21) Into the last column of this table can Yarimotsu write the results of the bouts. Now is your time, Yarimotsu! Much luck! Profomisakari Edited January 16 by Profomisakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 857 Posted January 12 (edited) I don't know why Yarimotsu couldn't post the Players ranking after day 1. If he hasn't time I will do it belated. But an info for Fujisan: You have (out of competition) one of three bouts correct, Paul. Profomisakari Edited January 12 by Profomisakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 584 Posted January 13 (edited) Hi all and welcome to the Game 21 results for the 2025 Hatsu Basho. Sorry for my absence to this point and any difficulties with entries. We will return to normal activities next Basho. Here are the bout results so far: Nr A - B A B X Day Result 1 Terunofuji – Abi 20 1 4 X 2 Kotozakura - Hoshoryu 10 15 0 15 B 3 Takerufuji - Onosato 4 8 13 X 4 Wakamotoharu - Takayasu 10 4 11 11 B 5 Daieisho – Kirishima 15 10 0 6 B 6 Takanosho - Wakatakakage 1 24 0 9 B 7 Tobizaru - Oho 11 14 0 6 B 8 Atamifuji – Hiradoumi 12 9 4 X 9 Ichiyamamoto – Gonoyama 5 13 7 X 10 Shodai - Ura 13 12 0 1 B 11 Chiyoshoma – Churanoumi 11 11 3 9 A 12 Endo – Mitakeumi 6 19 0 1 B 13 Roga – Kinbozan 8 4 13 X 14 Takarafuji – Tamawashi 8 17 0 6 A 15 Oshoma – Shonannoumi 7 13 5 12 A 16 Meisei - Midorifuji 16 9 0 1 B 17 Nishikigi – Hokutofuji 12 11 2 . 18 Hakuoho – Onokatsu 15 10 0 6 B 19 Kagayaki – Kotoshoho 2 21 2 7 A 20 Kitanowaka – Nishikifuji 15 10 0 4 A 21 Tamashoho – Tokihayate 8 17 0 3 B All bouts are accounted for. Daily player rankings are below: Edited January 26 by Yarimotsu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 584 Posted January 13 Now, I have returned home. Time for the Game 21 day 1 (and day 2) standings. On day 1 we had 3 bouts. On day 3, we will have one more. We have 4 leaders on a perfect score at this stage, and 3 yet to score. Rk Player Pts TB 1 Hisui 3 35 2 Wakatake 3 35 3 E9 3 35 4 Benihana 3 35 5 Chicky Starr 2 22 6 Wamahada 2 22 7 Fashiriteta 2 22 8 Rokudenashi 2 22 9 Ippikiōkami 2 19 10 Andreas21 2 19 11 Bunbukuchagama 2 19 12 Asset 2 19 13 Flohru 2 19 14 Fia 2 19 15 Tochinofuji 1 16 16 KARASUKURAI 1 13 17 Susanoo 1 13 18 Gusoyama 1 6 19 Athenayama 1 6 20 Shimodahito 1 6 21 Profomisakarri 1 6 22 Hakuryuho 1 6 23 Yarimotsu 0 0 24 RaeucherLax 0 0 25 Eatplaysleepsumo 0 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 857 Posted January 13 Congratulations, this are also my results. I believe, you have no more problems. Now I can go to the hospital some days. Thanks! Rolf 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 584 Posted January 14 On day 3 we had 1 bout. On day 4, we will have one more. We now have 1 leader on a perfect score, Hisui. Rk Player Pts TB 1 Hisui 4 43 2 Wakatake 3 35 3 E9 3 35 4 Benihana 3 35 5 Wamahada 3 30 6 Fashiriteta 3 30 7 Rokudenashi 3 30 8 Bunbukuchagama 3 27 9 Asset 3 27 10 Flohru 3 27 11 Fia 3 27 12 Tochinofuji 2 24 13 Chicky Starr 2 22 14 Susanoo 2 21 15 Ippikiōkami 2 19 16 Andreas21 2 19 17 Gusoyama 2 14 18 Athenayama 2 14 19 Shimodahito 2 14 20 Profomisakarri 2 14 21 KARASUKURAI 1 13 22 Yarimotsu 1 8 23 RaeucherLax 1 8 24 Eatplaysleepsumo 1 8 25 Hakuryuho 1 6 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 584 Posted January 15 On day 4 we had 1 bout. On day 5, none coming. Yesterday's leader did not have the day 4 bout correct, now 7 players have 4 points. Rk Player Pts TB 1 Wakatake 4 45 2 E9 4 45 3 Hisui 4 43 4 Wamahada 4 40 5 Fashiriteta 4 40 6 Bunbukuchagama 4 37 7 Asset 4 37 8 Benihana 3 35 9 Tochinofuji 3 34 10 Chicky Starr 3 32 11 Rokudenashi 3 30 12 Ippikiōkami 3 29 13 Flohru 3 27 14 Fia 3 27 15 Gusoyama 3 24 16 Profomisakarri 3 24 17 KARASUKURAI 2 23 18 Susanoo 2 21 19 Andreas21 2 19 20 Yarimotsu 2 18 21 RaeucherLax 2 18 22 Eatplaysleepsumo 2 18 23 Athenayama 2 14 24 Shimodahito 2 14 25 Hakuryuho 1 6 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 584 Posted January 17 On day 6 we had 4 bouts, and I see no reason to not also mark Terunofuji's bout with an X. On day 7, 1 more bout coming. Hisui retakes the top spot, on 7 points. Rk Player Pts TB 1 Hisui 7 84 2 Asset 7 78 3 Wakatake 6 77 4 Fashiriteta 6 72 5 Shimodahito 6 72 6 Rokudenashi 6 71 7 E9 6 71 8 Flohru 6 70 9 Chicky Starr 5 64 10 Yarimotsu 5 61 11 Tochinofuji 5 60 12 Ippikiōkami 5 57 13 Wamahada 5 55 14 KARASUKURAI 4 55 15 Andreas21 4 55 16 Athenayama 4 50 17 Eatplaysleepsumo 4 46 18 Profomisakarri 4 41 19 Gusoyama 4 39 20 Fia 4 38 21 Bunbukuchagama 4 37 22 Susanoo 3 36 23 Benihana 3 35 24 RaeucherLax 3 33 25 Hakuryuho 2 17 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profomisakari 857 Posted January 17 43 minutes ago, Yarimotsu said: On day 6 we had 4 bouts, and I see no reason to not also mark Terunofuji's bout with an X. On day 7, 1 more bout coming. Yes, Yarimotsu! So say the rules. And because he is not Kosho, but intai, he never can come back this Basho! Thank you! Profo 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 584 Posted January 18 On day 7, we had 1 more bout. None coming on day 8. Only Wamahada and Benihana had Kagayaki winning. Rk Player Pts TB 1 Hisui 7 84 2 Asset 7 78 3 Wamahada 6 78 4 Wakatake 6 77 5 Fashiriteta 6 72 6 Shimodahito 6 72 7 Rokudenashi 6 71 8 E9 6 71 9 Flohru 6 70 10 Chicky Starr 5 64 11 Yarimotsu 5 61 12 Tochinofuji 5 60 13 Ippikiōkami 5 57 14 Benihana 4 58 15 KARASUKURAI 4 55 16 Andreas21 4 55 17 Athenayama 4 50 18 Eatplaysleepsumo 4 46 19 Profomisakarri 4 41 20 Gusoyama 4 39 21 Fia 4 38 22 Bunbukuchagama 4 37 23 Susanoo 3 36 24 RaeucherLax 3 33 25 Hakuryuho 2 17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 584 Posted January 20 On day 9, we had 2 more bouts. None coming on day 10. Wamahada steps into the lead. Rk Player Pts TB 1 Wamahada 8 93 2 Wakatake 8 92 3 Fashiriteta 8 87 4 Shimodahito 8 87 5 Rokudenashi 8 86 6 Hisui 8 85 7 Asset 8 79 8 Tochinofuji 7 75 9 E9 7 72 10 Flohru 7 71 11 Benihana 6 73 12 KARASUKURAI 6 70 13 Chicky Starr 6 65 14 Yarimotsu 6 62 15 Ippikiōkami 6 58 16 Profomisakarri 6 56 17 Gusoyama 6 54 18 Fia 6 53 19 Andreas21 5 56 20 Athenayama 5 51 21 Bunbukuchagama 5 38 22 Eatplaysleepsumo 4 46 23 Susanoo 4 37 24 RaeucherLax 4 34 25 Hakuryuho 3 18 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
