Haru 2025 discussion (results)

[Kishinoyama 596]

13 minutes ago, Sakura said:

Kisenosato got injured in that tournament and still won.

Oops…. I was looking at the stats wrong and have corrected my post. 

[Sakura 1,495]

First-week Hoshoryu as Ozeki or Yokozuna. 

About par for the course.

[Seiyashi 4,108]

The course (or the par) might have changed slightly, though... 

[hakutorizakura 643]

I wonder if there is a way to query for number of kinboshi given on first yok basho, he's probably also about par...

[Jakusotsu 6,045]

22 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

Oh, tomorrow a match that was six years in the making. 

Hoshoryu vs. Ichiyamamoto 0-2 2019.01 Day 8 Ms21w Hoshoryu hikiotoshi Ms19w Ichiyamamoto   2019.05 Day 9 Ms4w Hoshoryu hikiotoshi Ms3e Ichiyamamoto   2025.03 Day 9 Y1e Hoshoryu       M4w Ichiyamamoto

LOL!

[Bunbukuchagama 770]

What was Hoshoryu's ginboshi rate - 2.9 per basho? 

He is already there. 

[Kaninoyama 1,816]

Rough debut for the new Yokozuna, and he's still got the two Ozeki to go through. 

[Akinomaki 40,753]

Today was inevitable, if Abi gets that win, Ichiyamamoto has to get that, too - for balance

My prediction of double digits for him crumbles, Hoshoryu-Kotozakura bout for kachi-koshi? - on day 14 though

I'm still hoping that Aonishiki makes it to runner-up, but the 4 ahead have to crumble as well

[Asashosakari 19,646]

Welp, now officially the worst 9-day performance by a new yokozuna in the 15-bout era, other than the three guys who didn't even make it to Day 9 (Yoshibayama, Chiyonofuji and Futahaguro).

Kyujo tomorrow?

[RabidJohn 1,853]

19 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Kyujo tomorrow?

I don't know. Yesterday he was up against a rikishi he'd only beaten twice in 11 attempts, and today it was a rikishi he's never beat. Going kyujo now would look shady. 
If he loses tomorrow against Ura, with whom he's at 8-5, then an injury kyujo would at least look more plausible.
Then there's pride, face, or whatever you want to call it. Maybe he's going to be an Onokuni/Wakanohana type, who'll keep trying for a KK until he goes MK.

[Kaninoyama 1,816]

In his pre-basho interview, Hoshoryu swore that he wouldn't go kyujo no matter what. 

We'll see if he holds to that if the situation becomes dire. 

Edited March 17 by Kaninoyama

[Jakusotsu 6,045]

48 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

Yesterday he was up against a rikishi he'd only beaten twice in 11 attempts

once in 9

[RabidJohn 1,853]

1 hour ago, Jakusotsu said:

once in 9

I was going by the "9-2" I saw before the bout. Even if 1 of the 2 was a fusensho, it still adds up to 10 actual bouts, doesn't it - or was one of Takayasu's 9 a fusensho, too?

Edited March 17 by RabidJohn

[Jakusotsu 6,045]

27 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

I was going by the "9-2" I saw before the bout. Even if 1 of the 2 was a fusensho, it still adds up to 10 actual bouts, doesn't it - or was one of Takayasu's 9 a fusensho, too?

See here.

[Athenayama 1,079]

You must all admit that Hoshoryu is a "giver". He generously offered 3 kinboshi already.  Isn't that sweet?

[Sumo Spiffy 579]

Hoshoryu only has to go 8-7 to not be forced into retirement, right? Obviously we want to see better, but I kinda want to see him grind through a single-digit win total and still finish the basho. TBH, I was slightly more concerned to see him revert to his throwing reflex against Ichi, because that's what held him back before November.

OK, real question here: What happened in the makushita match between Osanai and Daimasakari? They went for about three minutes before getting stopped, which I assume was for a water break. But the water breaks I've seen were, for example, Midorifuji vs. Hokuseiho, where they drew lines and made sure the guys got back in the same position. Is this more what they do in the lower divisions, just restart the match?

Edited March 17 by Sumo Spiffy

[Koorifuu 1,019]

Going on a wild punt here...

Ikarigata might be as strong as his brother already.

He fell out of the sandanme yusho pathway late on due to an uncharacteristic loss back in Hatsu, and he's lost to Asanoyama this basho after 1) badly fumbling his tachiai, he slipped and nearly fell down on the spot before Asanoyama even got to him 2) actually giving Asanoyama a scare.

Other than that, he's absolutely steamrolled everyone within seconds. I know that makushita should bring a much tougher test on his skills, but it's still not common to see someone treat the sandanme ranks to one-sided demolitions so consistently.

Edited March 17 by Koorifuu

[Ripe 73]

12 hours ago, hakutorizakura said:

I wonder if there is a way to query for number of kinboshi given on first yok basho, he's probably also about par...

Well, the closest to it I can get is this.

[dingo 1,293]

4 hours ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

Hoshoryu only has to go 8-7 to not be forced into retirement, right?

Unless Hoshoryu starts whacking his opponents on the dohyo with a karaoke remote control, noone is gonna force him to retire. 

Edited March 17 by dingo

[hakutorizakura 643]

1 hour ago, Ripe said:

Well, the closest to it I can get is this.

Okay, 3 seems to be the record. Don't break it...!

[Reonito 1,518]

2 hours ago, Ripe said:

Well, the closest to it I can get is this.

You can group it by basho and rikishi.

[Gospodin 219]

5 hours ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

 TBH, I was slightly more concerned to see him revert to his throwing reflex against Ichi, because that's what held him back before November.

Hoshoryu is showing quite a lot of bad  judgement so far, win or lose. I am also concerned about that.

[Octofuji 368]

18 hours ago, Sakura said:

First-week Hoshoryu as Ozeki or Yokozuna. 

About par for the course.

Interesting, and makes sense given he has a reputation for losing to opponents he should really beat.

So if he stays true to form he should still get his Yokozuna kachikoshi after all. Here's hoping!

Days 9-15 losses

Days 10-15 losses

Edited March 17 by Octofuji
Forgot what day it was

[Yubinhaad 11,761]

5 hours ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

OK, real question here: What happened in the makushita match between Osanai and Daimasakari? They went for about three minutes before getting stopped, which I assume was for a water break. But the water breaks I've seen were, for example, Midorifuji vs. Hokuseiho, where they drew lines and made sure the guys got back in the same position. Is this more what they do in the lower divisions, just restart the match?

Yes, mizu-iri only applies to sekitori bouts, where the bout is halted for a short break, then the rikishi are put back in place and start from there. In the lower divisions they simply go straight to a ni-ban-go torinaoshi a couple of bouts later, doing the whole thing again from scratch.

Fine effort from Osanai, who joined the basho late as he was recovering from a right leg injury. This was the third time he's fought a ni-ban-go torinaoshi.

[Chartorenji 243]

From what I can tell, it seems Hoshoryu has a mental block due to reaching the rank. I think a big part will be him getting this bad basho out of his system, and by the next tournament he should hopefully be locked in. I still think he gets to 9 or 10 wins, he beats out most of the Sanyaku pretty regularly. Honestly this whole thing might be a blessing in disguise for the JSA, Onosato now has a clear road to start his Yokozuna run (unless Takayasu snatches it from him.)