Dapeng 236 Posted March 24 On 24/03/2025 at 19:27, Bunbukuchagama said: But that would already be way better than Hoshoryu's run. I think Hoshoryu was promoted because of his impressive performance on day-15. Still, some people considered his 12-3 yusho being "monotarinayi" (not good enough). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dapeng 236 Posted March 24 On 24/03/2025 at 19:40, RabidJohn said: An Onosato yusho in May will secure his promotion. The score won't really matter, only the fact of back to back yusho. Recent events suggest it'll likely be either 12-3 or 13-2 with an outside chance of a 14-1. It's not going to be 11-4, as they seem (subjectively) even rarer than zensho. I don't want him to get an easy ride, and I don't believe he needs one. I don't think a 11-4-Y will lead to promotion but a 13-2-D or -J will. It depends on how he manages the pressure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,322 Posted March 24 (edited) That would be awkward if Onosato gets back to back yusho, with twice the yusho of the sole yokozuna and 4x as many as him in the period since making makuuchi, and is still at ozeki. I've wondered, if an ozeki continually alternated between records like 14-1 Y/9-6, far surpassing an active yokozuna in tournament wins, ,how long, if ever, would it take before they finally threw their hands up and promoted him? Edited March 24 by Katooshu 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripe 73 Posted March 25 On 24/03/2025 at 23:09, Dapeng said: I don't think a 11-4-Y will lead to promotion but a 13-2-D or -J will. It depends on how he manages the pressure. I still believe the first criteria would be who wins... if he get back to back he gets promotion even with 11-4. Yusho by Hoshoryu or Kotozakura would count different then one by Sekiwake/Komusubi (13-2 D might be enough regardless but 13-2 J might not be if yusho doesn't go to Y/O). A yusho by Maegashira would probably not lead to promotion, regardless of the score. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dapeng 236 Posted March 25 On 24/03/2025 at 23:24, Katooshu said: That would be awkward if Onosato gets back to back yusho, with twice the yusho of the sole yokozuna and 4x as many as him in the period since making makuuchi, and is still at ozeki. I've wondered, if an ozeki continually alternated between records like 14-1 Y/9-6, far surpassing an active yokozuna in tournament wins, ,how long, if ever, would it take before they finally threw their hands up and promoted him? It seems no one who had regularly yushoed had ever failed to reach yokozuna position and only yokozuna was seen to alternate between yusho and non-yusho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,322 Posted March 25 Ya, but what good is reality when you can have fun thought experiments Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morty 1,505 Posted March 25 On 25/03/2025 at 00:30, Dapeng said: It seems no one who had regularly yushoed had ever failed to reach yokozuna position and only yokozuna was seen to alternate between yusho and non-yusho. I think the only one is Kaio who had five yusho and 11 jun-yusho, and had a number of consecutive quality basho performances that these days probably would have seen him promoted. If he did get the rope he probably would have had to retire about 2007 instead of 2011, but I suspect he would have agreed to that trade. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,901 Posted March 25 On 24/03/2025 at 23:24, Katooshu said: That would be awkward if Onosato gets back to back yusho, with twice the yusho of the sole yokozuna and 4x as many as him in the period since making makuuchi, and is still at ozeki. I've wondered, if an ozeki continually alternated between records like 14-1 Y/9-6, far surpassing an active yokozuna in tournament wins, ,how long, if ever, would it take before they finally threw their hands up and promoted him? How about 4 JY in a row? Just asking for a friend of Onosato's ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 6,040 Posted March 25 On 25/03/2025 at 00:44, Katooshu said: Ya, but what good is reality when you can have fun thought experiments That reality would offer less chaff to scroll through. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warusawa 9 Posted March 25 According to JSA Hoshoryu is still ozeki, so all is good. https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnSumoDataRikishi/profile/3842/ 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,099 Posted March 25 (edited) On 25/03/2025 at 13:01, warusawa said: According to JSA Hoshoryu is still ozeki, so all is good. https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnSumoDataRikishi/profile/3842/ Well, he is. You don't stop being a Ozeki when you become a Yokozuna. And that link does say Yokozuna for rank now - perhaps you have a cached version of the page. Edited March 25 by Gurowake Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kamitsuumi 402 Posted March 25 I too saw Ozeki three hours ago. This obviously means NSK employees lurk this forum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
just_some_guy 284 Posted March 25 (edited) On 24/03/2025 at 23:09, Dapeng said: I don't think a 11-4-Y will lead to promotion but a 13-2-D or -J will. It depends on how he manages the pressure. Perhaps I didn't do this query correctly, but it looks like the last time someone had back to back yusho at Ozeki without getting a rope was 1950. I'd be interested to see any examples that I missed, and I'd bet you at least three hot dogs that any Onosato yusho next basho--even an 11-4--gets him a Yokozuna promotion. Edit to add: Yes, there were no 11-4s in my query example but I don't think it'll matter. Edited March 25 by just_some_guy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,626 Posted March 25 On 25/03/2025 at 16:17, Gurowake said: And that link does say Yokozuna for rank now - perhaps you have a cached version of the page. Their site had entirely reverted to January data including tournament results etc. for a few hours for some reason. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warusawa 9 Posted March 25 On 25/03/2025 at 16:17, Gurowake said: Well, he is. You don't stop being a Ozeki when you become a Yokozuna. And that link does say Yokozuna for rank now - perhaps you have a cached version of the page. Perhaps not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,509 Posted March 25 On 25/03/2025 at 16:28, just_some_guy said: Perhaps I didn't do this query correctly, but it looks like the last time someone had back to back yusho at Ozeki without getting a rope was 1950. I'd be interested to see any examples that I missed, and I'd bet you at least three hot dogs that any Onosato yusho next basho--even an 11-4--gets him a Yokozuna promotion. Edit to add: Yes, there were no 11-4s in my query example but I don't think it'll matter. We've had this discussion a couple of times before, when Takakeisho got his 11-4 yusho and last basho about Hoshoryu. I recall someone had really clarifying comments from reading the actual promotion guidelines in Japanese. I think it was "two consecutive yusho or an equivalent performance." So promotion after YY seems pretty cut and dried, and "equivalent" apparently refers to the two tournaments overall and not a single-basho performance, with plenty of room for interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dapeng 236 Posted March 25 On 25/03/2025 at 18:55, Reonito said: We've had this discussion a couple of times before, when Takakeisho got his 11-4 yusho and last basho about Hoshoryu. I recall someone had really clarifying comments from reading the actual promotion guidelines in Japanese. I think it was "two consecutive yusho or an equivalent performance." So promotion after YY seems pretty cut and dried, and "equivalent" apparently refers to the two tournaments overall and not a single-basho performance, with plenty of room for interpretation. There are also other requirements such as "outstanding strength". Losing 4 bouts in one basho can't be considered "outstanding". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andreas21 188 Posted March 27 Churanoumi was the big spoiler this basho. On day 13 he spoiled Tamawashi's path to a honorary Sansho. On day 14 he spoiled Takayasu's Yusho chances. On day 15 he spoiled Daieisho's Ozeki run. Let's see what comes next! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dapeng 236 Posted March 27 On 27/03/2025 at 16:42, Andreas21 said: On day 14 he spoiled Takayasu's Yusho chances. One rikishi's non-historical win becomes a historical loss of another rikishi ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,735 Posted 5 hours ago Nishonoseki in his Sponichi column praised his former heyamate Takayasu: also from now on be the example for Onosato He showed that he is still there among the top, but unfortunately also failed in his 9th attempt to get the yusho. A fine basho, only about day 14 regrets will remain. Even if Churanoumi did the sumo of his life, Takayasu in his wish to win wanted to win easily. In the ketteisen it became a disadvantage that he had a perfect win against Onosato in the regular bout, he ran into the ozeki's grab. That he is still this fit at 35, even with a wrecked lower back, shows that he doesn't overwork and is making good use of his power. He trained with Onosato since his debut and Kise wants him to continue for long, hoping for a personal best 13 or even 14 wins yusho yet. https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2025/04/02/kiji/20250402s00005000012000c.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
