Randomitsuki 2,826 Posted May 21, 2005 (edited) Day 14: Anju and Hidaka clinched kachi-koshi today, whereas Araki lost the decisive bout. Kageyama won the bout against Katsumori to go 6-1 which will probably mean a promotion to Sandanme. Edited May 22, 2005 by Randomitsuki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted May 21, 2005 Congratulations Oshirokita!I wonder if Zentoryu will be ranked ahead of me or not. If Nakatani finishes 5-2 I'm sure Sawaii will be behind but if it's only 4-3 for Nakatani... My main concern now is that Oshirokita can select Sawaii next tournament. I'll have to get to work finding someone below that rank who can keep up. Perhaps the GTYW master is unstoppable! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Should certainly be interesting to see who ends up ahead of who now that Nakatani has finished 5-2. I hope Nakatani ends up ahead if for no other reason than to allow me to chose Sawai again next basho. (Applauding...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomitsuki 2,826 Posted May 21, 2005 Should certainly be interesting to see who ends up ahead of who now that Nakatani has finished 5-2. I hope Nakatani ends up ahead if for no other reason than to allow me to chose Sawai again next basho. (Applauding...) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> According to my wildly inaccurate promotion table I would guess that this will not happen. I see Sawai at Sandanme 60, and Nakatani at Sandanme 64. But it is definitely a close call. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,355 Posted May 21, 2005 (edited) According to my wildly inaccurate promotion table I would guess that this will not happen. I see Sawai at Sandanme 60, and Nakatani at Sandanme 64. But it is definitely a close call. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hmm, a really close call indeed. It's definitely possible for Nakatani to end up higher than 64, see e.g. Niioka after Kyushu basho: Sd96e->Sd59e, but the Kyushu->Hatsu promotions in Sandanme all seem to be higher than usual, so under normal circumstances I think I agree that Sawai will end up ahead. I'm just happy that my pick Kageyama did exactly what I hoped he would do with his 6-1 and got me into Sandanme. Or, rather, what I expected one out of my picks to do since I had no idea which one of them would have the better basho. Looks like the joker was well-invested. (Applauding...) Hmm, wonder if I should pick this basho's Jonokuchi winner next time... Edited May 21, 2005 by Asashosakari Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,185 Posted May 21, 2005 (edited) Should certainly be interesting to see who ends up ahead of who now that Nakatani has finished 5-2. I hope Nakatani ends up ahead if for no other reason than to allow me to chose Sawai again next basho. (Applauding...) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> According to my wildly inaccurate promotion table I would guess that this will not happen. I see Sawai at Sandanme 60, and Nakatani at Sandanme 64. But it is definitely a close call. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I also happen to have a wild promotion table. This one says Sawai at Sd66 and Nakatani at Sd61. We'll see. (Applauding...)Edit: I just looked at last basho's similar cases. Asahisakari got from Jd20 to Sd59 with 6-1, so Jd25 would mean Sd64 (Maybe your table doesn't take into account that promotions get a bit smaller the higher you are, not only between division, but also within a division?). Tetsuhikari moved from Sd96 to Sd64. So this really could be awfully close. Edited May 21, 2005 by Doitsuyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomitsuki 2,826 Posted May 21, 2005 I also happen to have a wild promotion table. This one says Sawai at Sd66 and Nakatani at Sd61. We'll see. (Applauding...)Edit: I just looked at last basho's similar cases. Asahisakari got from Jd20 to Sd59 with 6-1, so Jd25 would mean Sd64 (Maybe your table doesn't take into account that promotions get a bit smaller the higher you are, not only between division, but also within a division?). Tetsuhikari moved from Sd96 to Sd64. So this really could be awfully close. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I must admit that my table was created after taking some sample promotions/demotions from about every ten ranks of the last banzuke. This was enough to find out about the promotion shifts that you've mentioned. However, I wasn't aware that there can be seasonal changes, nor did I have many 6-1 records to sample - much was based on extrapolating. According to these data a 6-1 from around Jonidan 20-30 will be 65 ranks (as compared to 60 ranks if Nakatani had gone 6-1), and a 5-2 from the end of Sandanme will be 32 ranks (as compared to 35 if Sawai had gone 5-2). I am looking forward to seeing the Nagoya Banzuke already... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomitsuki 2,826 Posted May 22, 2005 Day 15: Masutoo won his last bout which gave a nice finish to his supporters. Ichinoya, Haku, and So are three other rikishi who improved to 5-2 on senshuraku. OK. Here are the estimated final standings after Natsu Basho. The number in brackets indicates the position in the standings after last basho. As for the virtual banzuke estimations, I think we will compare them to the actual Nagoya banzuke, then we have a good laugh, and I will promise never to do it again... Banzuke Surfing: Standings Natsu 2005Rank Shikona (*=Jokers) Rikishi Record(s) Virtual Banzuke 1.(2.) Oshirokita* sd70w Wakafujita 5-2 sd41w 2.(3.) Itachi** jd25w Sawai 6-1 sd60w 3.(1.) Zentoryu** sd96e Nakatani/jd25w Sawai 5-2/6-1 sd60w 4.(5.) Golynohana** jd37w Tochifudo/jd61e Kageyama 6-1/6-1 sd72w 5.(14.) Kashunowaka** jd37w Tochifudo/jd38w Wakasato 6-1/3-4 sd72w 6.(15.) Doitsuyama** jd37w Tochifudo/jd41w Yamatofuji 6-1/4-3 sd72w 7.(13.) Yubiquitoyama jd37w Tochifudo/jd41w Yamatofuji 6-1/4-3 sd72w 8.(26.) Kachitakai*** jd94e Kadomoto 7-0 sd84e 9.(6.) Susanoo*** jd61e Kageyama 6-1 sd91e 10.(18.) Andoreasu*** jd61e Kageyama 6-1 sd91e 11.(16.) Asashosakari** jd61e Kageyama/jd61w Masutoo 6-1/5-2 sd91e 12.(9.) Azumaryu* jd61e Kageyama/jd61w Masutoo 6-1/5-2 sd91e 13.(11.) aderechelsea* jd27e Anju/jd36w Fuchita 4-3/4-3 jd5e 14.(10.) Tomoe** jd28e Daishiyama 4-3 jd6e 15.(12.) Jejima jd30w Hidaka 4-3 jd8w 16.(17.) Tamanaogijima** jd41w Yamatofuji 4-3 jd17w 17.(4.) Nishinoshima*** jd61w Masutoo 5-2 jd19w 18.(21.) Gusoyama*** jd61w Masutoo 5-2 jd19w 19.(23.) Gernobono*** jd61w Masutoo 5-2 jd19w 20.(24.) sashimaru*** jd61w Masutoo 5-2 jd19w 21.(8.) furanohana** jd61w Masutoo 5-2 jd19w 22.(19.) Randomitsuki* jd61w Masutoo/jd67w Katsumori 5-2/5-2 jd19w 23.(22.) Kaihayaiha*** jd64e Hoshigane 5-2 jd22e 24.(25.) Jakusotsu*** jd66w Ichinoya 5-2 jd24w 25.(7.) Kaikitsune Makoto*** DNP (1st) n/a jd25w 26.(32.) Zenjimoto** jk13e Maeta/jk13w Nishimura 6-1/2-5 jd52e 27.(31.) Kintamayama*** jk18e Wakanoho 6-1 jd52w 28.(30.) Takanorappa*** jd86w Sonoda 4-3 jd58w 29.(27.) Leonishiki*** DNP (1st) n/a jd61w 30.(29.) Frinkanohana** jd103w Isonokuni 4-3 jd73w 31.(38.) Misisko*** jk6w Haku 5-2 jd78w 32.(20.) Exil* jd60w Shinanogawa/jd62e Hokutonada 3-4/3-4 jd79e 33.(28.) Mmikasazuma** jd66e Maenotaka 3-4 jd83e 34.(37.)Mattjila***jk28e So5-2jd89e35.(new)charliki***jk20w Hatayama4-3jd104w36.(33.)Svanidze***DNP (2nd)n/ajd105w37.(new)fukunoyama***jk22w Ikioi4-3jd106w38.(34.)Zeokage***jd111w Yamato3-4jd111w39.(35.)Tameiki***jk23w Araki3-4jd132w40.(new)kotooshu_bulgaria***jk26e Matsushima3-4jd133e41.(39.)Jonosuke***DNP (2nd)n/ajk20e Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
