Makushita Game

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

This is to invite you for another round of the Makushita Game.

Here are the rules:

1) Divide the Makushita division into 15 blocks of equal size, consisting of 8 rikishi per block.

2) Name one rikishi out of each block who you think will be the most successful.

3) Send the list with 15 names to me via e-mail

Scoring Method:

Under the current scoring system you will get the following "win points" per rikishi:

0 win points if the final record of a rikishi is between 0-7 and 3-4

0.5 win points if the final record is 4-3

1 win point if the final record is 5-2

1.5 win points if the final record is 6-1

2 win points if the final record is 7-0.

To compute your final win-loss record, the win points of your 15 rikishi will be summed up. Win-loss records with half numbers are rounded up.

Deadline is shonichi 6 AM JST.

Edited September 1, 2005 by Randomitsuki

[Kintamayama 45,516]

You can find the Makushita rankings in English, including direct links to each rikishi's stats, at:

http://www.dichne.com/maku.htm

[Kintamayama 45,516]

  Randomitsuki said:

This is to invite you for another round of the Makushita Game.

3) Send the list with 15 names to me via e-mail.

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Which is?

[Asashosakari 19,649]

  Kintamayama said:

  Randomitsuki said:

This is to invite you for another round of the Makushita Game.

3) Send the list with 15 names to me via e-mail.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Which is?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well, you could use this forum-based link. (Annoyed...)

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

Here is a friendly reminder for the Makushita Game.

Deadline is Sunday 6 AM JST, and there are only 9 entries thus far.

[Azumashida 1]

  Randomitsuki said:

Here is a friendly reminder for the Makushita Game.

Deadline is Sunday 6 AM JST, and there are only 9 entries thus far.

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Are we supposed to get a confirmation that we're in (via PM or e-mail)? Or let me reformulate the question: Am I in? (Nodding yes...)

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

  Azumaryu said:

Are we supposed to get a confirmation that we're in (via PM or e-mail)? Or let me reformulate the question: Am I in?  (Nodding yes...)

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Ooops mejor!

I think I promised at Nagoya that everybody would receive a confirmation mail, but completely forgot.

Here are the current entrants (I've put them in alphabetical order so you are the first to know):

Azumaryu

Feginowaka

Itachi

Kintamayama

Randomitsuki

Sakana

Takamueda

Tomoe

Torideyama

Usagi

wolfgangho

[Susanoo 389]

Although I sent my entry two days ago, have not you received it?

1-4 Houchiyama

5-8 Takamifuji

9-12 Surugatsukasa

13-16 Nodera

17-20 Kimurayama

21-24 Kaidou

25-28 Kouryuu

29-32 Soutenzan

33-36 Arawashi

37-40 Sawai

41-44 Wakakirin

45-48 Fujitsukasa

49-52 Nakano

53-56 Amuuru

57-60 Daiyuuchi

:'-(

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

  Susanoo said:

Although I sent my entry two days ago, have not you received it?

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It arrived one day ago. I have replied with a confirmation mail, but obviously it hasn't arrived yet. Anyway, you are in.

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

Some selection stats.

21 players participating.

Most popular picks:

ms37w Sawai 19 picks (Top pick block 10)

ms22e Kaido 11 picks (Top pick block 6)

ms42e Wakakirin 10 picks (Top pick block 11)

ms3e Hochiyama 9 picks (Top pick block 1)

ms25e Hakiai 8 picks (Top pick block 7)

ms30e Tamarikido 8 picks (Top pick block 8)

ms46w Hakuba 8 picks (Top pick block 12)

ms26w Koryu 7 picks

ms2w Chiyohakuho 6 picks

ms6w Takamifuji 6 picks (Co-Top pick block 2)

ms7w Sumanofuji 6 picks (Co-Top pick block 2)

ms12w Satoyama 6 picks (Top pick block 3)

ms16e Isobe 6 picks (Top pick block 4)

ms43w Wakatenro 6 picks

ms49w Nakano 6 picks (Top pick block 13)

ms53e Amuru 6 picks (Top pick block 14)

Moreover:

10 rikishi with 5 picks; among them Takanoyama and Kimurayama (Top picks block 5); Ichinotani (Top pick block 9); Katsunofuji and Daiyuchi (Top picks block 15)

14 rikishi with 4 picks;

7 rikishi with 3 picks;

15 rikishi with 2 picks;

30 rikishi with 1 pick;

28 unpicked rikishi

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

Here are the Standings after the first bout per rikishi.

The third column gives a projection of the final standings based on the simple idea that each rikishi would win 50% of his remaining bouts. That is, if one of your rikishi is currently 1-0, the expected final standings for him would be 4-3 - and this in turn would add 0.5 wins to your tally. If a rikishi is currently at 0-1, the expected final standing would be 3-4 (0 wins for you).

Don't be shocked with the low values. After one or two bouts there will be quite an underestimation of the real standings, before a more adequate estimation kicks in.

  1 Kintamayama   5-10
 2 Asashosakari  5-10
 2 Takamueda     5-10
 4 Doitsuyama    4-11
 4 Itachi        4-11
 4 Susanoo       4-11
 7 Randomitsuki  4-11
 7 sashimaru     4-11
 7 Tamanaogijima 4-11
10 Zenjimoto     3-12
11 Senpai        3-12
12 Azumaryu      3-12
12 Feginowaka    3-12
12 Torideyama    3-12
12 Usagi         3-12
12 Yubiquitoyama 3-12
17 Flohru        2-13
17 Sakana        2-13
17 sekihiryu     2-13
17 wolfgangho    2-13
21 Tomoe         2-13

Edited September 12, 2005 by Randomitsuki

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

Standings after Day 4:

Kintamayama is the first one to enter kachi-koshi territory, that looks like very good scoring in the end - 8 of his 15 picks are currently at 2-0, six others are at 1-1, and only one rikishi of his squad is 0-2.

  1 Kintamayama   8-7
 2 Asashosakari  6-9
 3 Itachi        6-9
 3 Susanoo       6-9
 3 Usagi         6-9
 6 Doitsuyama    5-10
 6 Senpai        5-10
 8 sashimaru     5-10
 9 sekihiryu     5-10
 9 Takamueda     5-10
 9 Tamanaogijima 5-10
 9 Zenjimoto     5-10
13 Azumaryu      5-10
13 Feginowaka    5-10
13 Randomitsuki  5-10
13 Yubiquitoyama 5-10
17 Flohru        4-11
17 Tomoe         4-11
17 Torideyama    4-11
17 wolfgangho    4-11
21 Sakana        3-12

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

After 6 days:

OK, either our rikishi win and propel our scores upwards, or we are facing a banzuke problem (again).

After three bouts per rikishi Kintamayama is still the only one to linger in kachi-koshi land. Support your picks at all costs!

  1 Kintamayama   8-7
 2 Asashosakari  7-8
 3 Itachi        6-9
 3 sashimaru     6-9
 5 Doitsuyama    5-10
 5 Feginowaka    5-10
 5 Randomitsuki  5-10
 5 sekihiryu     5-10
 5 Tamanaogijima 5-10
 5 Usagi         5-10
11 Azumaryu      5-10
11 Susanoo       5-10
11 Takamueda     5-10
14 Sakana        4-11
14 Yubiquitoyama 4-11
14 Zenjimoto     4-11
17 Tomoe         4-11
18 Flohru        3-12
18 Senpai        3-12
18 wolfgangho    3-12
21 Torideyama    3-12

[Asashosakari 19,649]

  Randomitsuki said:

Support your picks at all costs!

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Sorry, but buying 60 wins is a bit out of my financial reach, even if Makushita yaocho is presumably not quite as expensive. :-O

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

After day 9:

The make-koshi count moves up to four. While Kintamayama has a good shot at finishing in double digits, Asashosakari, Itachi, and Doitsuyama have crossed the line of doom. Five players at 7-8 can still hope for getting KK, while it will become difficult for the rest of us.

  1 Kintamayama   10-5
 2 Asashosakari  8-7
 3 Itachi        8-7
 4 Doitsuyama    8-7
 5 Susanoo       7-8
 6 Azumaryu      7-8
 6 Feginowaka    7-8
 6 sashimaru     7-8
 6 Tamanaogijima 7-8
10 Randomitsuki  6-9
10 Takamueda     6-9
12 sekihiryu     6-9
12 Yubiquitoyama 6-9
14 Usagi         6-9
14 Zenjimoto     6-9
16 Flohru        5-10
17 Tomoe         4-11
18 Senpai        4-11
18 wolfgangho    4-11
20 Sakana        4-11
20 Torideyama    4-11

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

After day 11:

  1 Kintamayama   11-4
 2 Doitsuyama    10-5
 3 Tamanaogijima 9-6
 4 Asashosakari  8-7
 4 Itachi        8-7
 4 Susanoo       8-7
 7 Feginowaka    7-8
 8 Azumaryu      7-8
 8 sashimaru     7-8
 8 Yubiquitoyama 7-8
11 Randomitsuki  6-9
11 Takamueda     6-9
13 sekihiryu     6-9
13 Usagi         6-9
15 Flohru        6-9
16 Tomoe         5-10
17 Zenjimoto     5-10
18 Senpai        4-11
19 wolfgangho    4-11
20 Torideyama    4-11
21 Sakana        3-12

[Sakana 46]

3-12 :-O

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

After Day 13:

Doitsuyama overtook Kintamayama. Apart from that I am quite happy with the standings, the kachi-koshi/make-koshi distribution is nearly balanced.

  1 Doitsuyama    11-4
 2 Kintamayama   11-4
 3 Tamanaogijima 10-5
 4 Susanoo       9-6
 5 Itachi        9-6
 6 Asashosakari  9-6
 7 Feginowaka    8-7
 8 sekihiryu     8-7
 9 Azumaryu      8-7
10 Randomitsuki  7-8
10 sashimaru     7-8
10 Yubiquitoyama 7-8
13 Flohru        7-8
13 Takamueda     7-8
13 Tomoe         7-8
13 Usagi         7-8
17 Zenjimoto     6-9
18 wolfgangho    5-10
19 Senpai        5-10
20 Torideyama    4-11
21 Sakana        4-11

[Sakana 46]

damned, damned, damned... :-P

[Doitsuyama 1,192]

After day 14 I am behind Kintamayama, 10.5 with three to go against 11.0 with two to go. I don't know about Tamanaogijima, but those are the senshuraku bouts for me:

Sd3e Satsumanishiki (4-2) vs. Ms60w Daiyuchi (4-2)

Ms46e Toshinyama (4-2) vs. Ms53w Kasugakuni (4-2)

Ms13e Hokutoiwa (4-2) vs. Ms16e Isobe (4-2)

And for Kintamayama:

Ms54e Furuichi (5-1) vs. Ms50w Kagaya (5-1)

Ms8w Mokonami (5-1) vs. Ms6w Takamifuji (5-1)

I guess Kintamayama's bouts have more excitement value, but also very difficult opponents, so I maybe stand a chance to catch him.

[Azumashida 1]

  Doitsuyama said:

Ms54e  Furuichi (5-1)            vs.      Ms50w  Kagaya (5-1)

Now THAT one should be spectacular!

Edited September 24, 2005 by Azumaryu

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

  Doitsuyama said:

After day 14 I am behind Kintamayama, 10.5 with three to go against 11.0 with two to go. I don't know about Tamanaogijima, but those are the senshuraku bouts for me:

Sd3e  Satsumanishiki (4-2)    vs.          Ms60w  Daiyuchi (4-2)

Ms46e  Toshinyama (4-2)          vs.        Ms53w  Kasugakuni (4-2)

Ms13e  Hokutoiwa (4-2)                vs.    Ms16e  Isobe (4-2)

And for Kintamayama:

Ms54e  Furuichi (5-1)              vs.      Ms50w  Kagaya (5-1)

Ms8w  Mokonami (5-1)              vs.      Ms6w  Takamifuji (5-1)

I guess Kintamayama's bouts have more excitement value, but also very difficult opponents, so I maybe stand a chance to catch him.

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Wow, you even exchange your picks! That's true sportsmanship!

I currently have you at 11.5 --> 12-3 (Kintamayama) vs. 11.25 --> 11-4 (Doitsuyama), but this is just the result of extrapolating 0.25 for each remaining bout. And while I'm at it, here are the standings after day 14:

  1 Kintamayama   12-3
 2 Doitsuyama    11-4
 3 Tamanaogijima 10-5
 4 Susanoo       9-6
 5 Asashosakari  9-6
 5 Itachi        9-6
 7 Feginowaka    9-6
 8 Azumaryu      8-7
 8 sekihiryu     8-7
10 Randomitsuki  8-7
11 Usagi         7-8
11 Yubiquitoyama 7-8
13 Flohru        7-8
13 sashimaru     7-8
13 Takamueda     7-8
13 Tomoe         7-8
17 Zenjimoto     6-9
18 wolfgangho    5-10
19 Senpai        5-10
19 Torideyama    5-10
21 Sakana        4-11

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

Final Standings Aki Basho:

Kintamayama gets the yusho, Doitsuyama gets the jun-yusho, and Asashosakari and Tamanaogijima are tied for third place. Scoring was well-balanced, so I hope that we can continue with this scoring method. A banzuke will be created after two basho. The question is: do we count the Nagoya Basho as the first one? I think it wouldn't be fair to completely discount that basho, although the scoring method was different. However, some suggested to create a banzuke after Kyushu based on Aki and Kyushu results. What do you think?

  1 Kintamayama   11,5  12-3
 2 Doitsuyama    11    11-4
 3 Asashosakari  10    10-5
 3 Tamanaogijima 10    10-5
 5 Itachi        9     9-6
 5 Susanoo       9     9-6
 7 Feginowaka    8,5   9-6
 8 Azumaryu      7,5   8-7
 8 Randomitsuki  7,5   8-7
 8 sekihiryu     7,5   8-7
11 sashimaru     7     7-8
11 Tomoe         7     7-8
11 Usagi         7     7-8
11 Yubiquitoyama 7     7-8
15 Flohru        6,5   7-8
15 Takamueda     6,5   7-8
17 Zenjimoto     6     6-9
18 wolfgangho    5,5   6-9
19 Senpai        5     5-10
19 Torideyama    5     5-10
21 Sakana        3,5   4-11

[Kintamayama 45,516]

  Randomitsuki said:

Final Standings Aki Basho:

Kintamayama gets the yusho,

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The only light in my dark, dark basho.. OTOH, as someone who has been updating ALL Makushita scores every basho, every day for every Makushita rikishi MANUALLY for the last 7 and a half years, it is pretty much my bread and butter. OTOOH, last basho I sucked in this game, so..

[Sakana 46]

4-11 (Shaking head...)

I promise I'll try to do better in november (Nodding yes...)

Gratz' Kintamayama (Yusho winner...)