Banzuke Surfing Kyushu 2005

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

After one bout per rikishi:

We were having an unusually high number of kuroboshi this time. 21 from 48 active participants start with partial or complete 0-1 records. Kashunowaka gets a sneak peak into Makushita territory with a first win by Musashifuji. We had somewhat surprising losses by Nakanishi, Maeta, and top shin-deshi Morioka (against Kokkai's brother who was second among the mae-zumo boys).

Edit: Deleted table.

Edited November 16, 2005 by Randomitsuki

[Kashunowaka 300]

Kashunowaka gets a sneak peak into Makushita territory with a first win by Musashifuji.

I hope the old bow-man makes it!

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

After two bouts per rikishi:

While Oshirokita on his snowboard surfs into the immediate vicinity of sekitorihood, runner-up Kashunowaka received a serious blow to maintaining his runner-uppiness. Virtual runner-up is now sashimaru who surfs along with Kageyama (like furanohana and Tamanaogijima), still has two jokers (like furanohana), and made his pick earlier.

Only 26 players enjoy the benefit of having at least one rikishi with 2-0. Six of them surf Tsukasaumi, and eight others are in the 2-0-situation because of picking a joker.

Edit: Deleted table.

Edited November 18, 2005 by Randomitsuki

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

After three bouts per rikishi:

While Oshirokita, the lone surfer from the Big White North enters virtual Juryo, four other players enter virtual Makushita. Only 19 players have a rikishi with a clean sheet at their disposal, and 8 of them managed this feat only by way of joker picks.

Honorable mention today goes to Mattjila. For the second basho in a row he picked a rikishi that would have completely escaped my small radar, and for the second time in a row others jumped on the same bandwagon without repenting this.

Edit: Deleted table.

Edited November 20, 2005 by Randomitsuki

[Mattjila 0]

Honorable mention today goes to Mattjila. For the second basho in a row he picked a rikishi that would have completely escaped my small radar, and for the second time in a row others jumped on the same bandwagon without repenting this.

Actually, I think someone below me--Gusoyama?--beat me to him this time (with work and all, I couldn't do my games picks early). That said, he just seemed to fit my criteria, I look for someone just below my rank that had a good basho. I'm guessing Gusoyama and my fellow surfers on the Seifu board use similar strategy. The other choice was Takeuchiyama, who isn't doing well, and the only reason I didn't pick him was his slightly lower rank. One of these days, I'll pick the wrong one and fall again. Meanwhile, Oshirokita will be picking Asashoryu soon.

Edited November 18, 2005 by Mattjila

[Doitsuyama 1,192]

Meanwhile, Oshirokita will be picking Asashoryu soon.

Interesting! Who will be the other yokozuna ahead of Asashoryu by then, I'm curious to know in time?

[sashimaru 10]

Meanwhile, Oshirokita will be picking Asashoryu soon.

Interesting! Who will be the other yokozuna ahead of Asashoryu by then, I'm curious to know in time?

Kaio of course B-)

[Mattjila 0]

Meanwhile, Oshirokita will be picking Asashoryu soon.

Interesting! Who will be the other yokozuna ahead of Asashoryu by then, I'm curious to know in time?

No one will. It will be such a meta-pick that it will blow your mind. He will be up against Taiho and other dai-yokozuna (and Raiden) in a banzuke philosophy battle. Or maybe he keeps picking Asashoryu until he goes intai.

Or he should restart at mae-zumo with no jokers. Just to see how fast he can do it again.

[Oshirokita 192]

Meanwhile, Oshirokita will be picking Asashoryu soon.

I don't know about the yokozuna, but I think I have a good shot at picking Baruto next basho. With a little luck I might make sanyaku before the end of 2006.

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

After 4 bouts per rikishi:

According to my very virtual standings we currently have four rikishi and eight players in Makushita.

Satoyama (Oshirokita) would be currently ms1, Kageyama would be around ms44 (sashimaru, furanohana, Tamanaogijima), Musashifuji (Kashunowaka) would be ms52, and Wakanoho (Golynohana, Itachi, Kachitakai) would be ms59.

Edit: Deleted table.

Edited November 22, 2005 by Randomitsuki

[Kintamayama 45,495]

Rank Shikona			  Surfs				 Position	Standing  
4.   sashimaru**		  Fudoyama/Kageyama	 sd9w/12w	1-2/4-0   
5.   Yubiquitoyama		Fudoyama			  sd9w		2-2

I believe Fudouyama is 2-2.

[Torideyama 32]

Honorable mention today goes to Mattjila. For the second basho in a row he picked a rikishi that would have completely escaped my small radar, and for the second time in a row others jumped on the same bandwagon without repenting this.

Actually, I think someone below me--Gusoyama?--beat me to him this time (with work and all, I couldn't do my games picks early). That said, he just seemed to fit my criteria, I look for someone just below my rank that had a good basho. I'm guessing Gusoyama and my fellow surfers on the Seifu board use similar strategy. The other choice was Takeuchiyama, who isn't doing well, and the only reason I didn't pick him was his slightly lower rank. One of these days, I'll pick the wrong one and fall again. Meanwhile, Oshirokita will be picking Asashoryu soon.

Actually, the history will show that I made the initial pick on Seifu this time. Last basho, while I didn't even look at Mattjila's pick, we still had the same guy. The bottom line...Great minds think alike!

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

Actually, I think someone below me--Gusoyama?--beat me to him this time (with work and all, I couldn't do my games picks early). That said, he just seemed to fit my criteria, I look for someone just below my rank that had a good basho. I'm guessing Gusoyama and my fellow surfers on the Seifu board use similar strategy. The other choice was Takeuchiyama, who isn't doing well, and the only reason I didn't pick him was his slightly lower rank. One of these days, I'll pick the wrong one and fall again. Meanwhile, Oshirokita will be picking Asashoryu soon.

Actually, the history will show that I made the initial pick on Seifu this time. Last basho, while I didn't even look at Mattjila's pick, we still had the same guy. The bottom line...Great minds think alike!

Just to set the record straight:

In Aki Basho Mattjila was the first to pick Kawataka, followed by Torideyama and Gusoyama.

This basho Torideyama was the first to pick Seifu, followed by Kawataka and Gusoyama.

Well done, gentlemen.

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

After 5 bouts per rikishi:

29 players are safe to surf the banzuke in upward direction; for six players it goes down again; whereas the remaining 13 players still have to wait for a final decision.

It might be that in the next few days Oshirokita's lead will diminish quite a lot. If Kageyama went 7-0 he would be around ms12, whereas a 4-3 or 5-2 for Satoyama will move him onto the Juryo/Makushita border. In any case, there will probably many great rikishi between ms1 and ms12 to choose from, so Oshirokita will continue to have a clear advantage.

Edit: Table deleted.

Edited November 24, 2005 by Randomitsuki

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

After 6 bouts per rikishi:

According to my funny tables I'd say that Oshirokita (Satoyama) is almost guaranteed for a Juryo promotion. Supporters of Kageyama and Wakanoho definitely move into Makushita. For Kaishoryu (Zentoryu) promotion is possible even in case of a loss in his last bout. Musashifuji (Kashunowaka), Fudoyama (Yubiquitoyama), Tooyama (Andoreasu) and Takahashi (three players) should also enter Makushita if they win their last bout.

Rank Shikona			  Surfs				 Position	Standing  
1.   Oshirokita*		  Satoyama			  ms4e		5-1	   
2.   Kashunowaka*		 Musashifuji		   sd6w		3-3	   
3.   Tamanaogijima		Kachimori/Kageyama	sd8e/12w	4-2/6-0   
4.   sashimaru**		  Fudoyama/Kageyama	 sd9w/12w	3-3/6-0   
5.   Yubiquitoyama		Fudoyama			  sd9w		3-3	   
6.   furanohana**		 Kageyama			  sd12w	   6-0	   
7.   Azumaryu			 Nakanishi			 sd15w	   2-4	   
8.   Zentoryu*			Kaishoryu/Tooyama	 sd22e/34w   5-1/5-1   
9.   Golynohana**		 Wakanoho			  sd30e	   6-0	   
10.  Itachi**			 Wakanoho			  sd30e	   6-0	   
11.  Kachitakai		   Wakanoho/Ikioi		sd30e/37e   6-0/4-2   
12.  Andoreasu***		 Tooyama			   sd34w	   5-1	   
13.  Randomitsuki*		Ikioi				 sd37e	   4-2	   
14.  Zenjimoto*		   Ikioi				 sd37e	   4-2	   
15.  Nishinoshima**	   Kagemaru/Nankairiki   sd49e/50e   2-4/4-2   
16.  Gernobono**		  Ryutei				sd56e	   3-3	   
17.  Doitsuyama*		  Maeta/Takahashi	   sd58e/70e   4-2/6-0   
18.  Jakusotsu***		 Kumago				sd62e	   3-3	   
19.  Susanoo**			Takahashi			 sd70e	   6-0	   
20.  Asashosakari		 Takahashi			 sd70e	   6-0	   
21.  Exil				 Arawaka/Hokutoarashi  sd78w/79w   3-3/5-1   
22.  aderechelsea*		Omatsuda			  sd100w	  3-3	   
23.  Jejima			   Taikan				jd5w		2-4	   
24.  kotooshu_bulgaria*** Hienriki			  jd26e	   3-3	   
25.  Takanorappa*		 Kasugasato/Azusayumi  jd28w/31e   3-3/5-1   
26.  Feginowaka***		Azusayumi			 jd31e	   5-1	   
27.  Mattjila***		  Seifu				 jd35e	   5-1	   
28.  Gusoyama***		  Seifu				 jd35e	   5-1	   
29.  Torideyama**		 Seifu/Takeuchiyama	jd35e/36w   5-1/2-4   
30.  Kintamayama***	   Kainohama			 jd38e	   3-3	   
31.  Mmikasazuma**		Sadanokuni			jd47e	   0-6	   
32.  Tomoe*			   Azumi				 jd57w	   3-3	   
33.  Misisko***		   Haku				  jd58w	   3-3	   
34.  Frinkanohana*		Kirizakura/Ichinoya   jd68e/78e   5-1/2-4   
35.  Kaihayaiha***		Ichinoya			  jd78e	   2-4	   
36.  Zeokage**			Inui				  jd81w	   2-4	   
37.  wolfgangho***		Kanazawa			  jd105e	  2-4	   
38.  Usagi***			 DNP (1st)			 jd107w				
39.  charliki*			Hokutonami			jd113e	  4-2	   
40.  Terarno***		   Tanakayama			jd120e	  1-5	   
41.  Kotononami***		Kanda				 jk28w	   0-0-6	 
42.  Takamueda**		  Kanda/Kawai		   jk28w/32e   0-0-6/4-2 
43.  Tameiki***		   Morioka			   jk35e	   5-1	   
44.  Jonosuke***		  Tsukasaumi			jk35w	   4-2	   
45.  Erkhembulgan***	  Tsukasaumi			jk35w	   4-2	   
46.  Manekineko***		Tsukasaumi			jk35w	   4-2	   
47.  Ganzohnesushi***	 Tsukasaumi			jk35w	   4-2	   
48.  Norizo***			Tsukasaumi			jk35w	   4-2	   
49.  Profomisakari***	 Tsukasaumi			jk35w	   4-2

[charliki 16]

Jd113e Hokutonami (5-2)	oshidashi	  Jd109e Masaru (4-3)

From 0-2 to 5-2, wonderfull, this Hokutonami (In a state of confusion...) This time I had the good choice (Blushing...)

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

Here are the final records of your picks. I have ordered them based on some very uneducated guesses as to where the last wave of banzuke surfing might have moved you.

Rank Shikona			  Surfs				 Position	Standing  Est. Rank
1.   Oshirokita*		  Satoyama			  ms4e		5-2	   J14e		 
2.   sashimaru**		  Fudoyama/Kageyama	 sd9w/12w	4-3/7-0   ms12w		
3.   furanohana**		 Kageyama			  sd12w	   7-0	   ms12w		
4.   Tamanaogijima		Kachimori/Kageyama	sd8e/12w	4-3/7-0   ms12w		
5.   Susanoo**			Takahashi			 sd70e	   7-0	   ms45e		
6.   Doitsuyama*		  Maeta/Takahashi	   sd58e/70e   4-3/7-0   ms45e		
7.   Asashosakari		 Takahashi			 sd70e	   7-0	   ms45e		
8.   Golynohana**		 Wakanoho			  sd30e	   6-1	   ms50e		
9.   Itachi**			 Wakanoho			  sd30e	   6-1	   ms50e		
10.  Kachitakai		   Wakanoho/Ikioi		sd30e/37e   6-1/5-2   ms50e		
11.  Kashunowaka*		 Musashifuji		   sd6w		4-3	   ms56w		
12.  Yubiquitoyama		Fudoyama			  sd9w		4-3	   ms59w		
13.  Zentoryu*			Kaishoryu/Tooyama	 sd22e/34w   5-2/5-2   ms60e		
14.  Andoreasu***		 Tooyama			   sd34w	   5-2	   sd9w		 
15.  Randomitsuki*		Ikioi				 sd37e	   5-2	   sd12e		
16.  Zenjimoto*		   Ikioi				 sd37e	   5-2	   sd12e		
17.  Exil				 Arawaka/Hokutoarashi  sd78w/79w   3-4/6-1   sd24w		
18.  Nishinoshima**	   Kagemaru/Nankairiki   sd49e/50e   2-5/4-3   sd36e		
19.  Azumaryu			 Nakanishi			 sd15w	   2-5	   sd40w		
20.  Feginowaka***		Azusayumi			 jd31e	   6-1	   sd66e		
21.  Takanorappa*		 Kasugasato/Azusayumi  jd28w/31e   3-4/6-1   sd66e		
22.  Gernobono**		  Ryutei				sd56e	   3-4	   sd74e		
23.  Jakusotsu***		 Kumago				sd62e	   3-4	   sd81e		
24.  aderechelsea*		Omatsuda			  sd100w	  4-3	   sd81w		
25.  Frinkanohana*		Kirizakura/Ichinoya   jd68e/78e   6-1/2-5   sd98e		
26.  Mattjila***		  Seifu				 jd35e	   5-2	   sd99e		
27.  Gusoyama***		  Seifu				 jd35e	   5-2	   sd99e		
28.  Torideyama**		 Seifu/Takeuchiyama	jd35e/36w   5-2/3-4   sd99e		
29.  Kintamayama***	   Kainohama			 jd38e	   4-3	   jd15e		
30.  Jejima			   Taikan				jd5w		3-4	   jd26w		
31.  kotooshu_bulgaria*** Hienriki			  jd26e	   3-4	   jd46e		
32.  charliki*			Hokutonami			jd113e	  5-2	   jd58e		
33.  Tomoe*			   Azumi				 jd57w	   3-4	   jd75w		
34.  Misisko***		   Haku				  jd58w	   3-4	   jd76w		
35.  Mmikasazuma**		Sadanokuni			jd47e	   1-6	   jd83e		
36.  Tameiki***		   Morioka			   jk35e	   5-2	   jd85e		
37.  Jonosuke***		  Tsukasaumi			jk35w	   5-2	   jd85w		
38.  Erkhembulgan***	  Tsukasaumi			jk35w	   5-2	   jd85w		
39.  Manekineko***		Tsukasaumi			jk35w	   5-2	   jd85w		
40.  Ganzohnesushi***	 Tsukasaumi			jk35w	   5-2	   jd85w		
41.  Norizo***			Tsukasaumi			jk35w	   5-2	   jd85w		
42.  Profomisakari***	 Tsukasaumi			jk35w	   5-2	   jd85w		
43.  Takamueda**		  Kanda/Kawai		   jk28w/32e   0-0-7/4-3 jd102e	   
44.  Kaihayaiha***		Ichinoya			  jd78e	   2-5	   jd102w	   
45.  Zeokage**			Inui				  jd81w	   2-5	   jd103w	   
46.  Usagi***			 DNP (1st)			 jd107w			jd107w	   
47.  wolfgangho***		Kanazawa			  jd105e	  3-4	   jd111e	   
48.  Terarno***		   Tanakayama			jd120e	  1-6	   jk15e		
49.  Kotononami***		Kanda				 jk28w	   0-0-7	 out

Edited November 27, 2005 by Randomitsuki

[Doitsuyama 1,192]

I think Satoyama will be higher than J14e, maybe J12e or even better. This will make it tough on Oshirokita to select Baruto. (Shaking head...)

[Torideyama 32]

Did you ever decide when or if this round was going to end, and we all start over from scratch again?

[Doitsuyama 1,192]

Did you ever decide when or if this round was going to end, and we all start over from scratch again?

IIRC, it was written that this round will go on until one reaches sanyaku. The one is declared the winner then.

[Terarno 47]

Did you ever decide when or if this round was going to end, and we all start over from scratch again?

IIRC, it was written that this round will go on until one reaches sanyaku. The one is declared the winner then.

Oh ? Until now I was saving my jokers, but I guess I should use them soon, as I will be falling to Jonokuchi in Hatsu... (Shaking head...)

[Randomitsuki 2,843]

Did you ever decide when or if this round was going to end, and we all start over from scratch again?

IIRC, it was written that this round will go on until one reaches sanyaku. The one is declared the winner then.

Confirmed. The game is over as soon as someone (or should I say Oshirokita?) reaches sanyaku.

But here is the good news: at Hatsu Basho starts a parallel second round, nicknamed "Banzuke Surfing: A New Wave" where everybody starts from Jonokuchi again. Stay tuned!

[Jakusotsu 6,045]

Can't we just continue? I don't like starting over from scratch. Why does every game need a winner? It'll be much more interesting in my opinion as a long-time experiment.

[Asashosakari 19,646]

Can't we just continue? I don't like starting over from scratch. Why does every game need a winner? It'll be much more interesting in my opinion as a long-time experiment.

Well, you don't need to play in the parallel second game if you don't want.... (Nodding yes...)

[Jakusotsu 6,045]

Well, you don't need to play in the parallel second game if you don't want.... (Nodding yes...)

It's not about me. It's about watching the picture as a whole. Wouldn't it be nice to see how these various members scatter across the banzuke? Even with the current rules, there's no guarantee to stay in Sanyaku. I'd like to examine the dynamics first before flushing the playground. Let's not waste this opportunity. We could still settle for an annual winner if necessary, but I think the prospect of a long term career is actually more rewarding and motivating.