Higashi/Nishi

[charliki 16]

Bravo Zeokage, your picks are in (Applauding...) But not yet Misisko's picks :-)

Misisko, it's here (Applauding...)

[Zeokage 0]

Yes, now to do my usual and lose miserably. (^-^)v

[charliki 16]

Yes, now to do my usual and lose miserably. (^-^)v

No, you won, look here.

The torikumi of day 3 is here and you can play here.

Good luck !!!

[Kintamayama 45,116]

On day 2, I lost as usual, but I was credited with 4 wins, when in fact, I had 5.

Tosanoumi

Kitazakura

Futeno

Iwakiyama

Kakizoe

Mokonami

Kaiho

Buyuzan

Harunoyama

Masatsukasa

was my guess and

Tosanoumi

Kitazakura

Futeno

Mokonami

Buyuzan

won, nes't pas?

[charliki 16]

On day 2, I lost as usual, but I was credited with 4 wins, when in fact, I had 5.

Of course you're right, Buyuzan won. :-) :-| (Being unsure...)

I corrected the mistake. It change the result of the match between Hakuhohana and Sakana : Sakana won (5-5) and is co-leader with Mushi (3-0).

I thank you very much, Kintamayama (Nodding yes...)

Edited January 11, 2006 by charliki

[Sakana 46]

Sakana : Sakana won (5-5) and is leader with 3-0.

aha... for real ? (Nodding yes...)

[Doitsuyama 1,185]

I forgot to enter day 6, effectively due to the entry form being up quite late. May I politely suggest that setting up the entry form for the next day should have a much higher priority than calculating and posting the current results? When I tried to enter for day 6, the rikishi from the day before were still listed, several hours after the next day torikumi was out, and the day 5 results were half posted, obviously while being calculated.

To say it again in simpler words: First take care of the entry form, and only then look for the results.

[charliki 16]

To say it again in simpler words: First take care of the entry form, and only then look for the results.

Sorry, you're right. I'll do as you say from tomorrow.

[Mmikasazuma 12]

I realized earlier sometimes that one side of a day's torikumi can be a lot better than the other. It is proven again by this game. There were days when all the players on one side won (Tsuppari...) while those of the other side lost :'-( (F.e. day 12 all Nishi, day 14 all Higashi side wins.) Is it possible that drowing the sides for the players determines the results? (Gyoji...)

[Zeokage 0]

I guess that's going to be a possibility... the East side is supposed to have the higher ranked rikishi on most bouts is it not?

The only thing I can think of to solve that would be to have the East/West side of the banzuke set for the whole tournament and not the day's torikumi. That might make it easier on the game staff as well.

On an unrelated note, I had no internet access for a few days this week and therefore missed a few bouts. Was that why I was taken off the Higashi/Nishi torikumi?

[Kintamayama 45,116]

I realized earlier sometimes that one side of a day's torikumi can be a lot better than the other. It is proven again by this game. There were days when all the players on one side won (Tsuppari...) while those of the other side lost :'-( (F.e. day 12 all Nishi, day 14 all Higashi side wins.) Is it possible that drowing the sides for the players determines the results? (Gyoji...)

That is the precise reason I am thinking of not continuing with this game. If there is a possibility that I have no chance BEFOREHAND of winning, what's the point? Look at today's results-ALL higashi players won. And there were other days like this as well.

Edited January 21, 2006 by Kintamayama

[Doitsuyama 1,185]

Well, I was thinking about that. A suggestion from me: The side with more winners, gets penalized, giving one default point to the weaker side. Say, East beats West with 16-11, then each West player gets one additional point. This should help to restore equality a bit.

@Zeokage: You are wrong on both accounts. 1) It is not always the East rikishi who is higher ranked. Please take a look at a torikumi of any given day and study it. 2) Replacing that with banzuke instead of torikumi East and West would therefore not help at all. Maybe make it even worse, if for example four West rikishi go kyujo.

[Zenjimoto 40]

Well, I was thinking about that. A suggestion from me: The side with more winners, gets penalized, giving one default point to the weaker side. Say, East beats West with 16-11, then each West player gets one additional point. This should help to restore equality a bit.

@Zeokage: You are wrong on both accounts. 1) It is not always the East rikishi who is higher ranked. Please take a look at a torikumi of any given day and study it. 2) Replacing that with banzuke instead of torikumi East and West would therefore not help at all. Maybe make it even worse, if for example four West rikishi go kyujo.

I had the same thought this morning, to avoid making this game pointless. In addition, i was toying with what it would be like if you got to "choose" your side, instead of being assigned. You could then gamble on taking the side you think less people will choose, and hope to receive the bonus point. So the bonus would not go to the "losing" side, but to the side LESS players chose that day. This would perhaps favor players who are more adept at picking those hard to predict semi-upsets and can build a winning team with less resources, but with the help of the bonus point.

Another thought I had was, is it really necessary to divide the Makuuchi and Juryo guys when entering? Often times, there are Juryo winners I am much more sure about than Makuuchi ones, and would like to place them near the top, rather than relying on shakier top-division guys (Tsuppari...)

One more thing: is there a particular reason why there isn't an english edition of this game? Perhaps it is meant to be more of a "boutique" game, where not that many players participate (if nothing else, for better ease in making the torikumi and generating the results), but perhaps a few more players would be drawn in if they would find an english (or german) interface (Gyoji...)

Cheers

Zenjimoto

Edited January 21, 2006 by Zenjimoto

[charliki 16]

I project two changes.

1 The first problem of the current game is to give always the same side to highest classified players. It must be possible to choose its side (maximum 8 times on the same side).

2 To choose a side of the banzuke and not of the torikumi of the next day.

Edited January 21, 2006 by charliki

[Asashosakari 19,320]

2 To choose a side of the banzuke and not of the torikumi of the next day.

What if two East side rikishi face each other? Would you be allowed to pick both for a guaranteed point?

[charliki 16]

What if two East side rikishi face each other? Would you be allowed to pick both for a guaranteed point?

you could choose that which you want.

[charliki 16]

Final results

Kaiomitsuki(11-4 yusho / 102pts gino-sho / shukun-sho 6,8 d/pts)

Tamanaogijima(10-5 jun-yusho / 91)

Doitsuyama(10-4-1 / 87)

Mushi(10-4-1 / 86)

Tagada(10-3-2 / 81)

Gernobono(9-6 / 89)

Hakuhohana(9-6 / 84 / 34pts/ks kanto-sho)

Mishu(9-6 / 84)

Konosato(9-5-1 / 80)

Charliki(8-7 / 88 )

Sashimaru(8-6-1 / 85)

Chiisabuke(8-7 / 83)

Remiogawa(8-7 / 82)

Kaiowaka(8-7 / 80)

Kotoozuna(7-7-1 / 84)

Mmikasazuma(7-8 / 82)

Kasamatsuri(7-8 / 79)

Hayabusa(7-4-4 / 54)

Kintamayama(6-9 / 86)

Fuseigou(6-9 / 83)

Terarno(6-9 / 79)

Flohru(6-9 / 78 )

Zenjimoto(5-10 / 79)

Kotononami(5-9-1 / 79)

Misisko(5-9-1 / 75)

Sakana(4-6-5 / 47)

Zeokage(4-3-8 / 38 )

Tameiki(1-3-11)

Holleshoryu(1-0-14)

Tainosen(0-0-15)

There will be changes for Haru basho. Cheer with the winners and thank you to have taken part. See you in march.

Edited February 16, 2006 by charliki