Tokimori 0 Posted May 7, 2003 Sweden - Finland 6-5 (Doing a wave...) :-/ (Dancing of joy...) (On cloud nine...) (Cheers...) (Showing tongue at someone...) :-( :-/ (Applauding...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted May 7, 2003 Luckily I was at work and had no opportunity to see the ultimate humiliation. I've understood we were leading 5-1 at some point. (Censored) (Hitting with chair...) :-/ :-( (Dancing of joy...) (This is no good...) :-/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naifuzan 1 Posted May 7, 2003 Luckily I was at work and had no opportunity to see the ultimate humiliation. I've understood we were leading 5-1 at some point. That is correct. We (Sweden) where up 1-0. Then all of a sudden we where down 1-5, but somehow managed to win by 6-5! Just a great game to watch! :-/ I knew that flag-emoticon was gonna come in handy :-( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kashunowaka 300 Posted May 9, 2003 We are in the final! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted May 9, 2003 We are in the final! (Punk rocker...) (Sign of approval) :-D (Laughing...) (Cheers...) ;-) :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manekineko 200 Posted May 10, 2003 Although I cheered for both of Sweden's opponents so far, I hope you win the finals... Ganbare! (Laughing...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaikitsune Makoto 209 Posted May 10, 2003 In Finland it is a custom to start yelling the voice of the "realist" after a loss like that. "I told you Finnish team was the 6th best in material at most!", "I knew talk about world championship was totally absurd as we could never beat the NHL stars as our stars get old or tired or just can't figure out what to do on the ice", "This is the correct place for Finland!". Very Finnish phenomenon. My personal views on Swedish team: Forsberg is even better without a spleen. Sundin's stick handling and passes have silent, humble supremity. Zetterberg is my favourite Swedish player of all. He has unique skills and the mind to try those tricks too. He is creative, viable and has a different way with the puck. My personal view on Musashimaru as goalie: I think he could be good and calm goalie. My personal view on Kaio as the goalie area cleaner: I think he could be good for cleaning up the front of goal and bad for the poor "Jokinens" who would park there (park fleetingly). Think Kaio-Kotoryu okuridashi. My personal view on Chiyotaikai as behind the bushes checker: I think he would be dangerous. Natsu basho starts soon! (Laughing...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manekineko 200 Posted May 10, 2003 In Finland it is a custom to start yelling the voice of the "realist" after a loss like that. "I told you Finnish team was the 6th best in material at most!" You could hear just the same comments in Croatia after losses of our foot/basket/handball team. (Being mellow...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted May 10, 2003 In Finland it is a custom to start yelling the voice of the "realist" after a loss like that. "I told you Finnish team was the 6th best in material at most!", "I knew talk about world championship was totally absurd as we could never beat the NHL stars as our stars get old or tired or just can't figure out what to do on the ice", "This is the correct place for Finland!". Very Finnish phenomenon. (Laughing...) I can assure you, this is a phenomenon you share with Swedes... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naifuzan 1 Posted May 10, 2003 My personal view on Musashimaru as goalie I wonder what a 237kg guy on skates would do to the ice (Laughing...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted May 10, 2003 The Swede's must be happy that Sundin's and Forsberg's NHL squads got eliminated from the playoffs earlier than usual. They ended up with two of the top players in the world playing for them in this competition as a result. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted May 12, 2003 Forsberg is even better without a spleen. I nearly fell from my chair laughing when I read that :-) :-P (Sign of approval) I don't follow hockey closely, but I did read the summary article of the final game here on ESPN. It seems the scorers for Canada were not big stars? Anson Carter, P.J. Axelsson, Shawn Horcoff, Shane Doan? I don't know any of these names. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted May 12, 2003 Axelsson's a Swede. Carter is one of the few black ice-hockey players. I can think of only goalie Grant Fuhr besides him. There used to be another black guy playing for Canada several years ago but it might have been Carter as well. But why do I have this faint memory of a French name...?!? North American teams in World Ice-Hockey Championships often consist of players who aren't that big names in NHL. They are either guys who were interested enough to come play for their countries after a long but unsuccessful (for their team) NHL season or who already play in European clubs or some other series outside NHL. Sometimes a bigger name does come up (I seem to recall Chelios was about to come to play for USA), but usually the North American teams are a compilation of (relative) leftovers. This year it was clearly shown in the USA team, but far less clearly in Team Canada. :-P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted May 12, 2003 (edited) Carter is one of the few black ice-hockey players. I can think of only goalie Grant Fuhr besides him. There used to be another black guy playing for Canada several years ago but it might have been Carter as well. But why do I have this faint memory of a French name...?!? George Laroque of Edmonton?? Carter is a former Edmonton Oiler and Boston Bruin now playing for the NY Rangers. He's a pretty good goal scorer. Shawn Horcoff I think is another Edmonton Oiler. I know of both Doan and Axelsson, but can't recollect at the moment who they play for. North American teams in World Ice-Hockey Championships often consist of players who aren't that big names in NHL. They are either guys who were interested enough to come play for their countries after a long but unsuccessful (for their team) NHL season or who already play in European clubs or some other series outside NHL. Sometimes a bigger name does come up (I seem to recall Chelios was about to come to play for USA), but usually the North American teams are a compilation of (relative) leftovers. This year it was clearly shown in the USA team, but far less clearly in Team Canada. This is because the Stanley Cup is the Holy Grail for North American born players. The World Championships are pretty meaningless to them by comparison. (Being mellow...) A lot of the Canadian born NHL players who do go over and compete in the Championships do so for National pride (being that Canada is the home of hockey and all). But I'm sure to a man they would rather be lifting Lord Stanley's Cup at the end of the year instead. The American born players that compete probably do it more out of disappointment at an early end to their respective NHL seasons. I don't think there is as much of a national pride thing as with the Canadians. (Heck, in the US the World Championship gets even less media coverage than the Soccer World Cup! Now that's saying something about the level of interest around here.) :-P Edited May 12, 2003 by Zentoryu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted May 12, 2003 George Laroque of Edmonton?? Claude Vilgrain, I believe. Family name beginning with V sounds the most likely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exil 301 Posted May 13, 2003 Carter is one of the few black ice-hockey players. I can think of only goalie Grant Fuhr besides him. Jarome Iginla, last year winner of the Art Ross Trophy? As of February 2nd, there are some 29 black hockey players in the NHL according to the African American Registry. Grant Fuhr was my favourite goalie when I was a kid. He used to play for the Oilers with Messier, Gretzky and Kurri, and won the Stanley Cup five times. Those were the days... (Playing ball...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenjimoto 40 Posted May 13, 2003 Btw, am I the only one who thinks the NHL-World Champs scheduling conflict is truly ridiculous?? It used to be just the North American teams that were affected, but these days, it seems like every national team has a great number of their best players in the NHL... Why is it so hard to work these schedules out? Do the WC later, when the NHL is over? Too late?? Cheers Zenjimoto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted May 13, 2003 Jarome Iginla, last year winner of the Art Ross Trophy? Yes, evidently. My experience with ice-hockey is limited to TuTo. Points to every non-Finn who knows TuTo. :-S Actually, points to any Finn outside Turku who knows TuTo... (Nodding yes...) Why is it so hard to work these schedules out? Do the WC later, when the NHL is over? Too late?? Much too late. As always the reason is money. There's very little to be gained from a World Championship compared to NHL. Canadians (and to lesser extent Americans) know most of the time their best possible team is out of anyone's reach. What is the point to illustrate an end in itself? How well did the Canadian press cover the event anyway? Ice-hockey isn't much larger sport than sumo. "Funny, little game with sticks" as described by a Finnish author and famous Inter Milan afficiniado Jukka Pakkanen. Sixteen teams in a WC tournament is a bad joke. (Sign of disapproval) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted May 13, 2003 Much too late. As always the reason is money. There's very little to be gained from a World Championship compared to NHL. Canadians (and to lesser extent Americans) know most of the time their best possible team is out of anyone's reach. What is the point to illustrate an end in itself? How well did the Canadian press cover the event anyway? I agree with Kotoseiya. As I stated above, the WC is utterly meaningless to NHL players, particularly from North American, when compared to competing for the NHL title. The NHL certainly isn't going to adjust it's schedule to be accomodating to the WC. And if the WC rescheduled it's tournament for June (when the Stanley Cup finals usually reach their conclusion) I sincerly doubt they would generate any more interest from North American born players than they did before. It's been mentioned that a better schedule would be for September during the NHL's pre-season, like the old Canada Cup was. But this was shot down due to lack of interest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted May 16, 2003 Ice-hockey isn't much larger sport than sumo I don't know about that one (Blinking...) See this page for example... 3 million participants in hockey, 118 affiliated national hockey federations. Of course, sumo is bigger than hockey in japan, but in other countries, especially ones with ice? (In a state of confusion...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,185 Posted May 16, 2003 I also think that the number of hockey players is by far larger than the number of sumo werstlers. But sumo isn't a sport laid out for the masses... On the other hand 3 million is a paltry number compared to quite some other sports. Soccer (ugh!) for example has more than five million organized members in Germany alone. And in Brazil reportedly over 40 percent (I don't really remember the number) of TV receivers were on during Brazil's World Cup games - a good number considering the games were at about 3 am Brazil time... Now try to imagine 40 percent of the US population watching the US hockey team playing in Finland during the day... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted May 16, 2003 I also think that the number of hockey players is by far larger than the number of sumo werstlers. But sumo isn't a sport laid out for the masses...On the other hand 3 million is a paltry number compared to quite some other sports. Soccer (ugh!) for example has more than five million organized members in Germany alone. And in Brazil reportedly over 40 percent (I don't really remember the number) of TV receivers were on during Brazil's World Cup games - a good number considering the games were at about 3 am Brazil time... Now try to imagine 40 percent of the US population watching the US hockey team playing in Finland during the day... I really don't know how big or small Ice Hockey is compared to other sports, but one thing is for sure: Compared to Soccer ALL sports are small. Therefore I don't think that is really a good comparison. Although I think 3 million players sounds pretty few. There should be quite a few bigger sports out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted May 16, 2003 Well, according to the website that Yoavoshimaru provided the link to above, Volleyball is the most popular sport in the world with 998 million estimated participants. Basketball is second with 400 million. Table Tennis third with 300 million, with Soccer sitting in 4th with 242 million. Sumo doen't even appear on the list... (Clapping wildly...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted May 16, 2003 Well, according to the website that Yoavoshimaru provided the link to above, Volleyball is the most popular sport in the world with 998 million estimated participants. Basketball is second with 400 million. Table Tennis third with 300 million, with Soccer sitting in 4th with 242 million. Sumo doen't even appear on the list... (Clapping wildly...) Ah :-) Interesting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotoseiya Yuichi 3 Posted May 16, 2003 (edited) 118 affiliated national hockey federations Seven decent ice-hockey nations, 111 (relatively) crappy ones. Most of these nations are probably like Turkey where there is said to be one ice-hockey rink. In the middle of the rink there's a pole supporting the roof. Just because there's an association, doesn't mean there is actual sport. Ice-hockey is globally speaking a tiny sport. In only three countries, I believe, ice-hockey is the number one sport (Canada, Finland, Slovakia (?)). Three million players sounds about right. But almost a milliard volleyball players! YEAH, SURE!!! I played few times twenty years ago and I'm sure I've been counted in. By that criterion I alone am practioner of about fifty sports. Those numbers aren't estimates, they aren't even guesstimates! Football (or whatever it is called) must be clearly more popular than any other sport there has ever been. Only North America and possibly some parts of Asia are relative backlands (for now). I wish the North American members of the forum would for once see what football really means in countries (Finland not included) where a father goes from maternity clinic to his club's office to register a new member and where inheritance disputes are about who is allowed to inherit late father's right to purchase the season ticket of the local football club. There is nothing like football. Can not be! Today Arsenal will win... UPDATE: Now I realized the meaning of those numbers. They are those of hockey, not ice-hockey. Edited May 16, 2003 by Kotoseiya Yuichi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
